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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Kerr 062 (ker…@emailthing.there) writes: > Eleonore Beaudoin’s post: >>> Happy Birthday Chloe >>>> {@} * {@} >>>> {@} * {@} * {@} >>>> : * {@} * {@} * .; >>>> {@} * {@} * {@} * {@} >>>> * ; * ; {@} * ; * : >>> ; | / / /; >>> \ Y/ / / >>> `_ |/ _’ >> / \Y// >> ( ,-}={-, ) >> _//((_/ >> ))(( >> (/ )) >> (( >> ) >>> Love from >>> Emma and Mr Sklenge >>> Pickles & Smudge >> Merci, Mrs & Mr Sklenge!:) >> Chloe > Happy Birthday, Chloe. > Obviously I don’t know you at all but anyone who will keep my wife from > annoying me for as long as you and your friends do here is well worth > sending best wishes to.

I see you both liek to rid of each other just as much;-) :) Good, that, balance in a couple!;-) > So – best wishes for your birthday.

Thank you:) Nice of you to delruk for the grand occasion!:) > Love, > Ker 062 (Mr Sklenge) > I guess I’d better take the wife out for that birthday meal now… I wonder > if they serve anything as good as that curried pasta we enjoyed in Canada. > ;o)

Now now…We could end up believing you;d hate her!;-):) She told us all about how yukky it was…. I just went for a local chicken restaurant myself. In good company, who cares for the food?:) Was fun and laughters all the way:) Hoep you tow have/had as much fun! Cheers, Chloe > —

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bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Eleonore Beaudoin) wrote in message … > > The doctor said my level of hypothyroidism is "subclinical". I checked > > this in a dictionary and it means I suffer from it when I am under the > > bed. I am not currently under any beds, so that’s all right. > LOL:) > Go figure them. Drs now using psy terminology. > I *guess* that woudl mean under the norm. If it is such that it requires > syntroid or other medication assistance remains unclear… > Maybe some just donlt want to break the news to you or think they must > become psys to say so/avoid saying so.

I think the intention was to say that it wasn’t serious enough to have noticeable symptoms. As I say, another Dr disagreed with this on seeing the figures. Which since I happen to have them to hand, go like this: Srm-TSH, c arb 8,79 uIU/mL 0,35 – 4,94 ( ) Srm-Tiroxina lliure, g 0,93 ng/dL 0,70 – 1,48 (* ) If this means anything to you, you have a medical career waiting for you for the asking. I can tell you that "lliure" is Catalan for "free", and that’s the sum total of my contribution. My guess would be that the last two figures in each line represent the possible range outside of which the problem becomes "clinical", ie serious… but that’s only my guess. > I still am aaiting the results of my last b;lood test datign already like > 3 months to brign it there myself, and see from there. > OTS has ordered me a book on the question for my bday, so I might soon be > able to know for myself and better be able to decide of what shoudl be > done on my side too, after so mnay years of drs complete innefficiency.

OTS is a nice man. > Hypoglecemia like symptoms or diabetis like symptoms occasionally occur > with thyroid problems. Since the metabolism processes thigns too fast or > not fast enough, more sweets can be needed. For energy as well. There, > your hurtign foot might have to do with that… > Have your blood tested for sugar levels. Donlt think a dr woudl think of > it. (HAH:().

Going for a test tomorrow as it happens. Last thing Dr did was put me down for every test under the sun (as far as I could tell from boxes marked on paper). > Keep in mind that you might right now go for easier things with less of a > challenge and maybe even get tyo feel fine with just having a regular life > you’d have foundmonotonous before just out of your thyroid being hypo. > Given how hyper mine is, I then keep away from relationships all together > since over a decade now. As you can guess, hyper has its worse side than > hypo, but hypo has them in some other ways. In any case, I’d not make any > firm commitment about anything until I’d be back to a normal thyroid. > But I’d keep in mind as well that everythign might seem like a mountain to > climb for you, and when you are on very very low batteries.

"Low batteries" is about right. How are you anyway these days health wise? I can’t read much on this NG in the time allotted. > > I have about a hundred unfinished letters to Ca_. The latest one, > > though, seems more inspired than the other 99. It even has some poems > > in it. I might finish it one day. > Hope you did it on puter, where a search and replace coudl make it also > handy for the next love of your life….;-)

Hardly. Ca was one of kind. We shall never see her like again. Consequently, anything said about her is pretty much non-transferable. > Is Ca… still with hubby and daughter and all?

As far as I know. P_, who works in the Ayto (City Hall) had her in recently to sign a job contract. Only the task was delegated and they didn’t actually get to meet, which is kind of a pity really. > >> When are you gettign your provider again? > > No idea. They keep stalling me over the phone. > What on earth is their problem? And can you not get another? > Like a month free trial or something somehwere in the meanwhile?

This evening I plan to ring and give them an ultimatum. Either I get my service back tomorrow or look for a new provider. Having cable isn’t that important. > Dunno what coudl help, but you’d know…So just throwing this in the air > and leavign you to see what you need and want and what could or not help. > If ever you donlt have my phone number anymore, can;t write it here… > But OTS has it:) > Man, I am making peple run all over the place to find info about me:) > I just donlt have an address for you (email) other than the menta one, > where I can never remember how you spell nevilemooffe (two ll? two ff? Two > oo?Argh).

nevilemoofeatyahoodotcom (All are welcome) Thanks for replying. How did b’day go generally? OB

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bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Eleonore Beaudoin) wrote in message …

> Hypo and hyper can really be so and not perturbate the person THAT much. > It sure does, but nothign as bad. > All is relative and it depends on the level of hypo or hyper, simply. > On the age and the general health as well.

The doctor said my level of hypothyroidism is "subclinical". I checked this in a dictionary and it means I suffer from it when I am under the bed. I am not currently under any beds, so that’s all right. However, a subsequent specialist disagreed and said it might affect… stuff. So there you go. I suppose you already know the "second opinion" joke. I do feel tired all the time these days, except when I don’t. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > E_ is from Ecuador, currently there, and has more of that than anyone > > else within current writing or talking distance. This is why. > > > Hell. In this particular cybercafe I only have to raise my head a few > > degrees to be reminded of how much that triumphs over this. > :) > > You can only afford to worry about this when you already have that. > > Is this making any sense? > Yes. Though I saw you way perkier in other occasions. Maybe it is just the > thyroid bing slower….Maybe you are down about the distance anyway or > soemthing…

I wasn’t especially down when writing the above. I was floating in a haze of Marie Brizard. (Dunno if this is an international drink or not. It’s a cloyingly sweet, colourless aniseed liqueur that I wouldn’t normally give the time of day, but lately for some reason I seem to have developed a weakness for sweet liqueurs, especially that Italian one made of is it walnuts? Fra Angelico. Seriously sexy drink. And with ice they go down a treat in this heat.) Now I am confused and I suppose "down". I have just deleted various paragraphs of detailed explanations, suddenly it occurred to me it might not me a great idea to splurge the private lives of (partly) other people over newsgroups that people actually read, even if the private lives are in Ecuador. How can I sum up… Well, apart from the Marie Brizard I had been until this afternoon floating in a haze of joyful anticipation of actually meeting someone in the sometime future (getting from Ecuador to Spain is extremely and deliberately complicated, getting from Spain to Ecuador less so but expensive, but been working on it, and I do have the Santa Marta invitation, which is only one national border away), someone whom I actually like the look of, lots (she appears in the video in a clinging red dress), only today I found myself, for reasons, forced to wonder about… things. Damn, this is difficult. Will just have to wait till I get my connection back in order to chat it all through I suppose. St Yan’s mobile is switched off. I was supposed to be cleaning the house today but after that puzzling and confusing chat with E_ today I just felt suddenly very lonely. Picked up the guitar and ran through the Chaconne in Dm, usually a great way to let off steam. Now have blister on left little finger (only recently been getting back into practice after long period of not playing). Tomorrow I have to go to yet another Notary Public (the Spanish have these things. They are people who charge money just to put their signature to documents. The French I believe have them too. "notaires". It must be the easiest job ever invented. "Learn to sign your own name legibly and earn in excess of 500 euros a day!") Anyway. Last time it was a favour for St Yan, she has a lesbian lover called St Betty (former nun) in Chile who is supposed to be coming over in Oct, but the paperwork requires a "notarised" Letter of Invitation from a Spanish or EU National, which excludes St Yan, so I had to be the official inviter. Now I have to do another letter of invitation for E_, but I dunno if the notaries can swing it with the police, the govt or whoever interests themselves in such things, if the dates happen to overlap. It might look on paper as if I am setting up a brothel, what with Officially Inviting all these Latin women to holiday in my modest apartment. Why do these things always happen to me? > C not me the other C you mean? Ca….? Again on a letter to Ca…??? > By now you coudl start tryign tow rite oen to her daughter, where she will > be of age when you finish the letetr:), and more as you rememebred her > mom:);-)

I have about a hundred unfinished letters to Ca_. The latest one, though, seems more inspired than the other 99. It even has some poems in it. I might finish it one day. Sometimes I wonder whether my lifelong policy of not having any male friends was a bit shortsighted. I just sort of always assumed that even if I did, it wouldn’t be of any use for talking about relationships, because blokes just don’t talk to other blokes about their relationships with women. As far as I’m aware, blokes only talk to other blokes about soccer. But maybe this is just me being British. > > Hate cybercafes. Can’t save stuff and go back to it. > Pain that…. > When are you gettign your provider again?

No idea. They keep stalling me over the phone. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I seem to rememebr that eh has decent feet actually…. > But then compared to mine, all feet are:) > Take care OB and I hope youc an print or just skip this if reading from a > cyber cafe!!!! > Hugs and btw, thanks for the wishes again for my bdaym and they were ON > TIME and made it on the exact date:) > Read them on the nineth as well:) > Salutations back to P_:). Adn tell her "Yes, I know:):):)" with the > giggle=ish smile and she will knwo what I felt her say:) > Hehehe:) > Chloe

Oh well. Maybe it’s Marie Brizard time again.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Sklenge (skle…@yahoo.co.uk) writes: > Eleonore Beaudoin’s post: >> Sklenge (skle…@yahoo.co.uk) writes: Eleonore Beaudoin’s post: >>>> "The Black Squirrel" (in French). >>>> C >>> We have black squirrels near where I live. We’re famous for them locally. But >>> I’ve yet to see one. >> I miss the regular other-than-black myself. We had no black ones at all when I >> was a kid…Then in my early teens they started having some I dunno where from >> in the National Parks…Then in the city, quite fast, where they seem to now >> be everywhere (I got maybe 6-8 near my house, as a young couple of babies grew >> up and had babies that had babies…), where they are very easy to tame if you >> offer them peanuts:), and come to eat in your hand, sitting IN your hand even. >> But they chased away or killed all other squirrels and chipmunks completely. >> Seing a chipmunk now is like a very rare phenomenon, where there used to be >> only those and the regular squirrels, grey or brown…We had more browm ones >> than grey, so the greys were the first oens to disapear… >> I saw ONE grey and ONE brown one in the last decade, and rather in the recent >> years of the decade too, where who knows, maybe they found a way to chase the >> back ones back and are coming back? Still many mnay black ones though. One >> lives in my attic probably as it always gets to climb in my pine tree to then >> jump on the roof….I think they all are born there, wherever they hide:), >> around my house/in my house:) >> They are nice though, again, and much easier to tame than the other ones. >> C — > I wonder why our batch of blacks haven’t struck out against the greys yet? > Perhaps they’ve decided not to integrate but to set up a what are those > things? Autonomous collective; a mono-culture. Perhaps they like living in > their ghetto. I think I’ll get the county council to send in some kind of > multi-cultural social integration mediator to ease them out into the > indigenous grey community. There’s going to be a load of liaison > opportunities for the appropriately qualified sociologist/busy-body. I > wonder if someone’s produced a leaflet or drop-in centre.

Greays are very much the same size and shape as the black ones. Maybe a touch longer and slimmer, but much closer in size and strenght I guess to the black ones than the little squirrels and chipmumnks that woudl not have stood a chance against the black ones. We had very very few grey ones already, here, where they simply did not multiply like the blacks did I guess. Maybe our weather conditiosn are easier on the blacks….I dunno… But I miss the smaller brown ones….Almost is an animnal of lengends by now so rare they are, where most kids never saw one in their life in this area… C —

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OB’s post: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Eleonore Beaudoin) wrote in message > … > >>> You can only afford to worry about this when you already have that. >>> Is this making any sense? >> Yes. Though I saw you way perkier in other occasions. Maybe it is just the >> thyroid bing slower….Maybe you are down about the distance anyway or >> soemthing… > I wasn’t especially down when writing the above. I was floating in a haze of > Marie Brizard. (Dunno if this is an international drink or not. It’s a > cloyingly sweet, colourless aniseed liqueur that I wouldn’t normally give the > time of day, but lately for some reason I seem to have developed a weakness > for sweet liqueurs, especially that Italian one made of is it walnuts? Fra > Angelico. Seriously sexy drink. And with ice they go down a treat in this > heat.)

It could be that Amaretto stuff. I love that stuff; if I drink sweet stuff that’s the stuff I drink… and then I almost immediately get a searing pain in all the diodes down my left hand side. Another great sweet lethal drink is the Fuzzy Fashinian: one part babycham, one part brandy and one or two parts advocaaat… don’t forget the cherries. Your Marie Brizard sounds like a sweet version of Pernod/Ricard stuff – does it go milky in water like disinfectant? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well, apart from the Marie Brizard I had been until this afternoon floating in > a haze of joyful anticipation of actually meeting someone in the sometime > future (getting from Ecuador to Spain is extremely and deliberately > complicated, getting from Spain to Ecuador less so but expensive, but been > working on it, and I do have the Santa Marta invitation, which is only one > national border away), someone whom I actually like the look of, lots (she > appears in the video in a clinging red dress), only today I found myself, for > reasons, forced to wonder about… things. Damn, this is difficult. > Will just have to wait till I get my connection back in order to chat it all > through I suppose. > I was supposed to be cleaning the house today but after that puzzling and > confusing chat with E_ today I just felt suddenly very lonely. Picked up the > guitar and ran through the Chaconne in Dm, usually a great way to let off > steam. Now have blister on left little finger (only recently been getting back > into practice after long period of not playing).

It hurts getting those calluses back. > Tomorrow I have to go to yet another Notary Public (the Spanish have these > things. They are people who charge money just to put their signature to > documents. The French I believe have them too. "notaires". It must be the > easiest job ever invented. "Learn to sign your own name legibly and earn in > excess of 500 euros a day!") Anyway. Last time it was a favour for St Yan, she > has a lesbian lover called St Betty (former nun) in Chile who is supposed to > be coming over in Oct, but the paperwork requires a "notarised" Letter of > Invitation from a Spanish or EU National, which excludes St Yan, so I had to > be the official inviter. Now I have to do another letter of invitation for E_, > but I dunno if the notaries can swing it with the police, the govt or whoever > interests themselves in such things, if the dates happen to overlap. It might > look on paper as if I am setting up a brothel, what with Officially Inviting > all these Latin women to holiday in my modest apartment. Why do these things > always happen to me?

I can think of a number of men who would love to have a similar problem… "Latino, lesbian fallen nuns" always sounds so promising in theory and yet it really oughtn’t too and generally the practice bears this out. October’s always a good month. life changing events happen for me in October – always in the Autumn and usually October (but that’s just me). > Sometimes I wonder whether my lifelong policy of not having any male friends > was a bit shortsighted. I just sort of always assumed that even if I did, it > wouldn’t be of any use for talking about relationships, because blokes just > don’t talk to other blokes about their relationships with women. As far as I’m > aware, blokes only talk to other blokes about soccer. But maybe this is just > me being British.

Sometimes it’s useful to have someone with whom you don’t have (or want/need) to talk about relationships. I tend to find I only talk about relationships with men. Women always want to be talking about flower arranging, cake decorating and motorsport. Chloe’s right though, you do sound ‘down’ in your text. Has she given you one of her patented cyber hugs of late? They always make people feel better – even if they feel okay to start with.

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OB (nevilemo…@yahoo.com) writes: > bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Eleonore Beaudoin) wrote in message … > >> Hypo and hyper can really be so and not perturbate the person THAT much. >> It sure does, but nothign as bad. >> All is relative and it depends on the level of hypo or hyper, simply. >> On the age and the general health as well. > The doctor said my level of hypothyroidism is "subclinical". I checked > this in a dictionary and it means I suffer from it when I am under the > bed. I am not currently under any beds, so that’s all right.

LOL:) Go figure them. Drs now using psy terminology. I *guess* that woudl mean under the norm. If it is such that it requires syntroid or other medication assistance remains unclear… Maybe some just donlt want to break the news to you or think they must become psys to say so/avoid saying so. > However, a subsequent specialist disagreed and said it might affect… > stuff. So there you go. I suppose you already know the "second > opinion" joke. I do feel tired all the time these days, except when I > don’t.

Except when you feel too tired to feel tired… That coudl be related to a hundred things, like havign done a marathon in the alst week, to name one. But if thyroid is at cause, look no further. It might have been that way for a while or got increasingly less active…It coudl explain your digestive probs and the heart palpitations (sic) and breathing odd feelings you ahd the last years…You mentioned sweating a lot too…Sweating IS secretiosn as well. Therefore under the thyroid’s control, where when it controls nothign properly anymore, it can be quite a ride. See the dr again and asks for your blood test results. T3, T4, thyroidine levels, the work. Then order a book called "Thyroid for dummies" or search for a group on yahoo called "Atomic Women" which si a support group with TONS of info and a group started by a woman that had Graves disease and had her thryoid abalted by radioactive iodine, and of course vecame hypo instead of hyper. She saw that even endocrinologists had not a clue what they were doing, realized they only study the thyroid for like 4 hours in some class, and that patients know even the symptoms more than them and what to not eat and so on. So on Yahoo groups, look for Atomic Women. It is not a group for women, but is called that as 7 women for one man have graves disease, where then it is not given the importance in treatment that it should have…There, giving them your blood tests "numbers", they will give you very very on the dot info on what you can do, what is best, what med, what dosage, etc, etc. Some are just participants that dunno more than you and I, but the owner of the list is stunningly knowegeable. Name Elaine Moore. She became a summity on the subject. She will answer all questiosn by batches, and that must be more than a full time job on top of writing her books and specialized articles in magazines and the likes. There are men among. I;d say one one seven, heh. I still am aaiting the results of my last b;lood test datign already like 3 months to brign it there myself, and see from there. OTS has ordered me a book on the question for my bday, so I might soon be able to know for myself and better be able to decide of what shoudl be done on my side too, after so mnay years of drs complete innefficiency. Then > > a lot of time. But everything read and as usual appreciated and mostly > agreed with>

No prob. I feared the sixze and your having to readf all that in a cyber cafe and hoped you’d either skim or print later to read when your service is back. > – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> > E_ is from Ecuador, currently there, and has more of that than anyone >> > else within current writing or talking distance. This is why. >> >> > Hell. In this particular cybercafe I only have to raise my head a few >> > degrees to be reminded of how much that triumphs over this. >> :) >> > You can only afford to worry about this when you already have that. >> > Is this making any sense? >> Yes. Though I saw you way perkier in other occasions. Maybe it is just the >> thyroid bing slower….Maybe you are down about the distance anyway or >> soemthing… > I wasn’t especially down when writing the above. I was floating in a > haze of Marie Brizard. (Dunno if this is an international drink or > not. It’s a cloyingly sweet, colourless aniseed liqueur that I > wouldn’t normally give the time of day, but lately for some reason I > seem to have developed a weakness for sweet liqueurs, especially that > Italian one made of is it walnuts? Fra Angelico. Seriously sexy drink. > And with ice they go down a treat in this heat.)

Hypoglecemia like symptoms or diabetis like symptoms occasionally occur with thyroid problems. Since the metabolism processes thigns too fast or not fast enough, more sweets can be needed. For energy as well. There, your hurtign foot might have to do with that… Have your blood tested for sugar levels. Donlt think a dr woudl think of it. (HAH:(). > > Now I am confused and I suppose "down". I have just deleted various > paragraphs of detailed explanations, suddenly it occurred to me it > might not me a great idea to splurge the private lives of (partly) > other people over newsgroups that people actually read, even if the > private lives are in Ecuador. How can I sum up… Well, apart from the > Marie Brizard I had been until this afternoon floating in a haze of > joyful anticipation of actually meeting someone in the sometime future > (getting from Ecuador to Spain is extremely and deliberately > complicated, getting from Spain to Ecuador less so but expensive, but > been working on it, and I do have the Santa Marta invitation, which is > only one national border away), someone whom I actually like the look > of, lots (she appears in the video in a clinging red dress), only > today I found myself, for reasons, forced to wonder about… things. > Damn, this is difficult.

Well, I got an email addie for one thing, now wippee21atyahoodotcom (and unblocked or shoudl be. It sometimes writes a blockof all incoming on its own). For another, yes, tose things are complicated, cause the guy just won’t move it and visit, as I remember it goes;-). They seem toreralize what the distance means only as they finally are to cross it.That made me adopt a way online that pretty much goes"shall see/talk about that when you are at my door". Keep in mind that you might right now go for easier things with less of a challenge and maybe even get tyo feel fine with just having a regular life you’d have foundmonotonous before just out of your thyroid being hypo. Given how hyper mine is, I then keep away from relationships all together since over a decade now. As you can guess, hyper has its worse side than hypo, but hypo has them in some other ways. In any case, I’d not make any firm commitment about anything until I’d be back to a normal thyroid. But I’d keep in mind as well that everythign might seem like a mountain to climb for you, and when you are on very very low batteries. > Will just have to wait till I get my connection back in order to chat > it all through I suppose.

Hmm. Tough one that must be indeed. > St Yan’s mobile is switched off.

:) Maybe she is having a gfriend over:) > I was supposed to be cleaning the house today but after that puzzling > and confusing chat with E_ today I just felt suddenly very lonely.

Hm..I see a bit here….Though not what about precisely… > Picked up the guitar and ran through the Chaconne in Dm, usually a > great way to let off steam. Now have blister on left little finger > (only recently been getting back into practice after long period of > not playing). > Tomorrow I have to go to yet another Notary Public (the Spanish have > these things. They are people who charge money just to put their > signature to documents. The French I believe have them too. > "notaires".

Yes. Here they are poeple with the same degree as the attorneys, if notaries are ot required to apss their "barr", and do all legal papers like wedding and houses sold and bought and will sand all, everythign that does not require a court apearance. My borhter is a notary, if he passed his barr and coudl work as an attorney then. Notries here are just as expensive as attorneys. It must be the easiest job ever invented. "Learn to sign > your own name legibly and earn in excess of 500 euros a day!") Anyway.

Savbe that they have to have the same studies as attorneys. Expensive books them law books. Still uni studies, if less than you and I, heh. Anmd a much bigger pay check, but lord, how borign a job it must be! > Last time it was a favour for St Yan, she has a lesbian lover called > St Betty (former nun) in Chile who is supposed to be coming over in > Oct, but the paperwork requires a "notarised" Letter of Invitation > from a Spanish or EU National, which excludes St Yan, so I had to be > the official inviter. Now I have to do another letter of invitation > for E_, but I dunno if the notaries can swing it with the police, the > govt or whoever interests themselves in such things, if the dates > happen to overlap. It might look on paper as if I am setting up a > brothel, what with Officially Inviting all these Latin women to > holiday in my modest apartment. Why do these things always happen to > me?

Cause you love latin women, or are convinced you do, and cause you ahve this old black hair programmed thgn in your mind…?;-) In other words, cause you like it this way and cause it is still the old tryign the unattainable to not get involved for real in he end…?;-) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> C not me the other C you mean? Ca….? Again on a letter to Ca…??? >> By now you coudl start tryign tow rite oen to her daughter, where she will >> be of age when you

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Eleonore Beaudoin’s post: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Sklenge (skle…@yahoo.co.uk) writes: Eleonore Beaudoin’s post: >>> "The Black Squirrel" (in French). >>> C >> We have black squirrels near where I live. We’re famous for them locally. But >> I’ve yet to see one. > I miss the regular other-than-black myself. We had no black ones at all when I > was a kid…Then in my early teens they started having some I dunno where from > in the National Parks…Then in the city, quite fast, where they seem to now > be everywhere (I got maybe 6-8 near my house, as a young couple of babies grew > up and had babies that had babies…), where they are very easy to tame if you > offer them peanuts:), and come to eat in your hand, sitting IN your hand even. > But they chased away or killed all other squirrels and chipmunks completely. > Seing a chipmunk now is like a very rare phenomenon, where there used to be > only those and the regular squirrels, grey or brown…We had more browm ones > than grey, so the greys were the first oens to disapear… > I saw ONE grey and ONE brown one in the last decade, and rather in the recent > years of the decade too, where who knows, maybe they found a way to chase the > back ones back and are coming back? Still many mnay black ones though. One > lives in my attic probably as it always gets to climb in my pine tree to then > jump on the roof….I think they all are born there, wherever they hide:), > around my house/in my house:) > They are nice though, again, and much easier to tame than the other ones. > C —

I wonder why our batch of blacks haven’t struck out against the greys yet? Perhaps they’ve decided not to integrate but to set up a what are those things? Autonomous collective; a mono-culture. Perhaps they like living in their ghetto. I think I’ll get the county council to send in some kind of multi-cultural social integration mediator to ease them out into the indigenous grey community. There’s going to be a load of liaison opportunities for the appropriately qualified sociologist/busy-body. I wonder if someone’s produced a leaflet or drop-in centre.

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OB (nevilemo…@yahoo.com) writes: > Warning: just surfaced from Losers Bar. They say you shouldn’t do that > (the two full tumblers of Marie Brizard thing) while taking > antibiotics, but they never explain why. Are there any doctors here? > (a) The booze nullifies the effects of the antibiotic > (b) The combination makes you even drunker and get worse hangovers > (c) The antibiotics nullify the effects of the booze (early > experimental results suggest not) > (d) The combination is liable to send you to an early grave, or to > grow yet another liver, or something equally bad. > Does anyone know the answer to this?

I was told that the effect is "miltiplied" actually. Dunno how true that is, but that was what soemoen who asked a dr told me they told them… I dunno about antibios though (either)…I.e. will they start attacking the alcohol in the blood for being made out of mold and rotting things? After all, they do attack some poeple’s metabolism, maybe it is cause they are old and moldy or rotten….?;-) They also say that alcohol preserves, wehre then to take one antibio might save you the cost of an entire prescription maybe? :):) > > Anyway. > A very Nice current correspondent suggests that of all the people in > the world, you might be the best qualified to supply me with > information on what thyroids do, why one might want to possess one, > etc. I sort of have this vague idea that if you have an overactive > one, you end up very clever, whereas if you have an underactive one, > you end up sleepy, lethargic and stupid.

LOL:) You must be having a very slow one right now to think this , heheeheh:) Not really. Normal(which means all ranges of intelligence) is between say units they measure and that read between 14 and 24. That is the AVERAGE range where popel are okay. Some are of course in RL that are fine at 26, which was my own readings when "normal: and healthy, and some do just as well at 12. It is said however in places deprived of iodine, which is what the gland works on, say, that people will tend to cretinism, being UNDER 7 of those units. BUT. If one gets at 56 like I got, they fly too fast and in that become unable of concentration of sleep, and get extremely exausted too if they might not feel it, the metabiolism runnbing much much faster, i.e. all functiosn being faster: blood exchange as much as heart rate and breathign rate and so on. The thyroid gland is in charge of all secretisn in the body. Of all other glands then save for the ones above it, say, to which it yet is interlink, i.e. the hypo[physis and the hypothalamus glands. The three totgether at as a sort of thermostat to help the thyroid produce and regulate thyroidine that is then associated with other things to create among other things adrenaline triggering and HORMONES. The thyroid in controlling all secretiosn in the body then can affect everything from the tip of your hair to the tip of your toes. Hair, nails: hair neds that oil to be healthy that a thyoid that si too active or not enough will elave too oily or way too brittle. Thyroid hyper activity increases haor loss for instance. But all symptoms are relative in a way: cause if the other glands still have csoem thermostat effect on the thyroid, after it produces too much, it will be slowed down to produce not enough,w ehre the other glands will make it secrete too much again, etc. Normally a balnce is reached and kept, but all changes make the other two kick in if thigns are normal, or not kick in or not STOP. In my case it wonlt stop. In yours it is not triggered enough. Yourt thyrtoid will affect everythign as I said between your hair tip and your toe tips. Nails: they are like hair the blood garbage and if the thyroid is slow, elss activity, then less garbage filtering. If too fast, woah boy. Aws well, nailschange accordign to the toxins in the body where a too active thyroid is too much toxins created, and a slow one, not enough filterd and eliminated, say. But your bones will eb affected: vitamin C is suddenly not processed the same way if you have a tyropid problem. Either it does nto eliminate well enough either it can not be assimilated much anymore…. Your digestion changes. Digestive acids are SECRETED, and ALL secretions in the body are under the thyroid’s control. As is the development in LENGHT of bones (sic). The thyroid in controlling hormones and adrenaline glands can also pump more blood or less blood than if the thyroid is functioning properly. That can create too much blood on the brain, or not enough oxygenation makign oen feel sleepy all the time, their metabplism beign too slow….In my case, with Graves, which is affectign the thyroid but not due to teh thyroid for a cause (cause is unknown save that we have antibodies that other humans either are not born with or never see being actoivated, they donlt even know), in my case, I did not sleep for 11 straight months and did not even care to. Life was wow, 24 hours a day seven days a week, for elevn months. So much time to do so many things!! But of course with the ehart and metabo0lism beign sooo fast, one gets exausted, i.e. doe snto FEEL it necessarily, but the inner organs work overtime and then some! The rogans then ""age"" faster than the chronological age fo the person. Hypothyroid tends to gain weight at nothing. They also for not haing a very active gland, will not exervcise or move much,w antign to sleep all the time! Hypertthyroid coudl eat aroudn the clock if they cared to, but woudl nto gain weight, save intially in the sudden happenign fo the hypoer where they gain in say 2 weeks 40 pounds (was my case) which si lost as fast and as suddenlya s the hyperthyroid becoems the norm the body adapts too, say, and spends more and more energy just breathing. Eye problems? Eyes have tears and those are secretions! Controlled byt he thyroid. Graves disease can come with an awful eye consequence that makes the eyes buldge out fo the head, where in some caseds they have to swo the eyelids together to keep the eyes in their sockets, untilt heyc an prerform an operationw ehre they cut the bones around the eye socket to give the eye globe enough room. Soem Graves patients can not close their eyes then, the eyes beign too big for the eyelids to close over. In my case I was sapred that (knocks on wood). But Graves are known for havign this "starign look: or so people think. Their eyes tend to look biogger as if starign, and their lack of concetration and exaustion contribute to give that starign look, when the eye condition is not "there". I.e. eyesight is affected, lower, but the eyes are not buklding. Theya lso are DRY eyes. Whiel the thyroid is overactiv and shoudl then secrete too much, other glands and activuties ncessary for the other glands to work iptimally are messed up, where things like dry hair with hyper can occur often, and oily hair with hypo. But that can actually end up beign the oppsoite too. Depfdns on how the rest of the metaolism is at, and whgat the body opts to favor, sort of thing! Teeth, well, if too slow, the metabolic processign of vitamins and minerals is too slow too! If too fast? You burn them vitamins and minerals so fast, you end up with as little or even less. Sleep is definitely affected and changes in "depth" quality and so on. Neither the hyper or hypo find their slep resatful, one not able to sleep enough, and yet the slower thyroid one…the same thing, as they wanna sleep all the time, are sort of "asleep" and havign to fucntion thatw ay. In extreme cases, sleep and wake can get all confused. You knew me in that bad bad time where I woudl anounce "I am asleep now since ten minute". Meet Graves!:) Of course, an extreme hypo case woudl not ansdswer that beign asleep themself way before the other LOL:) Hypo needs iodine. Hyper must avoid it, as the thyroid feeds oin it and secretes it to create all that ill make them worse. Hormonal unblanace. Skin problems. Hair problems. Digestive TRACK problems (does notkeep tot eh stimach only is what I mean). Peeign too fotne, not often enough, every single body fucntion you can think of is changed. Defintiely coudl affect your liver. Livers SECRETE, see? Sure affects mine too. BLOOD CIRCULATION is affected. If a heart bets slower, as in hypothyroid, then the circulation in the elg is poor. But if it beats super super fast, then the blood can not ahve time to get back from the legs to the heart when pumped and that creates bad leg circulation too! Healign speed like scarring….I a;ways ehaled way too fast! Say I woudl cut myself: the cut was closed before the infection had time to get out of be cleaned. Got peroxide? the time you get the bottle, it closed. That si ME though, never heard another say the same, and that si GRAVES which is a very very hyper hyper active thyroid (all nodes of the thyroid are too actibe vs only one node un hyper, for one of the many differnces). Sore throat? Cancers in your mouth? Slaiva is a SECRETION!! EVERYTHING in your body, and sicne your bain is a aprt of the body and lioves on blood exchanges too, doh. Loads of fun. BUT. Hypo and hyper can really be so and not perturbate the person THAT much. It sure does, but nothign as bad. All is relative and it depends on the level of hypo or hyper, simply. On the age and the general health as well. Use iodone salt…but there danger is blood pressure, eh. Eat seafood. Pork, thigns that contain salt and iodone then naturally. Bacon (sic), ham, CHIPS. All thigns I coudl nto touch at all. ONE chip used to be enough to send my heart beat at 950 per minute:(. No I can have some cause it is not AS bad, if not out of the woods, and cause I learnd to recognize the signs, havign enough concentration for it! I woudl NOT eat soem today. I felt liek it actually…But knew better….I coudl see the legs swelling up from the blood not being pumped back enough, which meant the ehartw as beatign way way way too fast. Yet my blood … read more »

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Sklenge (skle…@yahoo.co.uk) writes: > Eleonore Beaudoin’s post: >> "The Black Squirrel" (in French). >> C > We have black squirrels near where I live. We’re famous for them locally. > But I’ve yet to see one.

I miss the regular other-than-black myself. We had no black ones at all when I was a kid…Then in my early teens they started having some I dunno where from in the National Parks…Then in the city, quite fast, where they seem to now be everywhere (I got maybe 6-8 near my house, as a young couple of babies grew up and had babies that had babies…), where they are very easy to tame if you offer them peanuts:), and come to eat in your hand, sitting IN your hand even. But they chased away or killed all other squirrels and chipmunks completely. Seing a chipmunk now is like a very rare phenomenon, where there used to be only those and the regular squirrels, grey or brown…We had more browm ones than grey, so the greys were the first oens to disapear… I saw ONE grey and ONE brown one in the last decade, and rather in the recent years of the decade too, where who knows, maybe they found a way to chase the back ones back and are coming back? Still many mnay black ones though. One lives in my attic probably as it always gets to climb in my pine tree to then jump on the roof….I think they all are born there, wherever they hide:), around my house/in my house:) They are nice though, again, and much easier to tame than the other ones. C —

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Sklenge (skle…@yahoo.co.uk) writes: > Michaela’s post: >> Kerr 062 wrote Eleonore Beaudoin’s post: >>>>> Happy Birthday Chloe >>>>>> {@} * {@} {@} * {@} * {@} : * {@} * {@} * .; {@} * {@} * {@} * {@} * ; * ; >>>>>> {@} * ; * : ; | / / /; \ Y/ / / `_ |/ _’ / \Y// ( ,-}={-, ) >>>>>> _//((_/ ))(( (/ )) (( ) >>>>> Love from Emma and Mr Sklenge Pickles & Smudge >>>> Merci, Mrs & Mr Sklenge!:) >>>> Chloe >>> Happy Birthday, Chloe. >>> Obviously I don’t know you at all but anyone who will keep my wife from >>> annoying me for as long as you and your friends do here is well worth sending >>> best wishes to. >>> So – best wishes for your birthday. >>> Love, Ker 062 (Mr Sklenge) >>> I guess I’d better take the wife out for that birthday meal now… I wonder >>> if they serve anything as good as that curried pasta we enjoyed in Canada. >>> ;o) >> Yer a good sport, Mr Sklenge. Mr MichaelaMackenzie wouldn’t do what you just >> did above. Not that that makes him better or worse than you, just different. >> – Michaela > Well, enjoy it for now because he won’t be doing it very often. He’s just > not a usenet sort of fellah. Perhaps I’ll roll him out for special occasions > like weddings and bahmitvas. > He’s sat there now eating his humus and quorn sammij and emailing folk about > work. Sometimes I wonder what’s going to happen when his world of work > stops.

By the sound of it, it won’t be pretty…. But give him a few years….They mature slower than us (ducks as a sandwhich flies above her head:)) -See what I mean?:) C —

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Warning: just surfaced from Losers Bar. They say you shouldn’t do that (the two full tumblers of Marie Brizard thing) while taking antibiotics, but they never explain why. Are there any doctors here? (a) The booze nullifies the effects of the antibiotic (b) The combination makes you even drunker and get worse hangovers (c) The antibiotics nullify the effects of the booze (early experimental results suggest not) (d) The combination is liable to send you to an early grave, or to grow yet another liver, or something equally bad. Does anyone know the answer to this? Anyway. A very Nice current correspondent suggests that of all the people in the world, you might be the best qualified to supply me with information on what thyroids do, why one might want to possess one, etc. I sort of have this vague idea that if you have an overactive one, you end up very clever, whereas if you have an underactive one, you end up sleepy, lethargic and stupid. The latter three adjectives seem to sum up my general state over the last few years, so perhaps this is not too far from the truth. Anyway. "Girl on Stabilisers, 2004". In reality it was the bicycle that had stabilisers, not the girl. She looked around 8 years old. The relevance of this is that when you inhabit Losers Bars, eventually you come to realise how arbitrary the assignation of a particular soul to a particular body is, and find yourself sometimes confusing yourself with the person opposite (seriously), or sometimes wishing to be liberated from the current vile machine asap, in order to be then reborn into something smaller, healthier, femaler and hence saner, able to relearn the art of balancing on two wheels and other interesting stuff, without memories and without regrets. In the LB you seem them walking, cycling or skating past all the time. 13 And the Angel (as viewed from current vantage point of Patmos or thereabouts) poured forth the eighth Vial upon the Earth. 14 And there arose upon all the land a plague of Young Women with Incredible Figures. And the Angel spake, and saith: "this is for Ged, because we all hate his guts up here". 15 And everyone else went about their business as usual, apparently noticing nothing untoward. 16 And the Lord saw that sales of Marie Brizard increased as a result. This lunchtime I tried out some of those old songs. They’re all mouldy. Sort of throwbacks to the 60s. There was this "modern" song on the radio in the LB that marked the difference, kinda: "No, Bawd, ‘e Wants to be Lonely" I generally stick to 4/4, 3/4, 6/8 or 7/8 (a hugely underestimated time sig) with the occasional 5/8, and that’s about me lot. But there’s no denying that BB would have languished in the current "No, Bawd" musical environment. See, it all has to be not just danceable, but pistonable. If you stick the odd bar of 11/8 in there then you wrongfoot the danceuses autour de l’handbague and you get consequential scuff marks on polished floor that have to be cleaned up by armies of Ecuadoreans with mops the next day. Talking of which…. Nah. I thought I was drunk enough to tackle this subject but it seems not. All I can do is reproduce odd scraps from LB trains of thought: After you reach That Age, when all the social conformity nonsense has been leached out of you, suddenly you realise there is absolutely NO COMMON GROUND between people of opposite genders, and this (if you had the education I had) completely blows your mind. Why should I ever have listened to anyone who said "go for this, not for that" when that person was of a gender which made them constitutionally incapable of recognising the thatness of that? I am fed up of this. I want that. E_ is from Ecuador, currently there, and has more of that than anyone else within current writing or talking distance. This is why. Hell. In this particular cybercafe I only have to raise my head a few degrees to be reminded of how much that triumphs over this. You can only afford to worry about this when you already have that. Is this making any sense? St Yan says "esto no es vida". I quite agree. She should know. In E_’s video (I had to buy a thing called a "DVD reproducer" to get to see anything) there is a river, the river Guaya that runs through Guayaquil, and there is a boat with some fishermen on it. One of them holds up a humongous fish, about the size of a large muskrat, or the size of the Italian waiter’s peppermill in that Victoria Wood sketch. THAT is living: people holding up fish. I need to have my feet operated. I need to have my liver removed or replaced with e.g. a tuna fish. I need a new thyroid, apparently. And a new brain. I have horrible feet. The left one hurts all the time. I have horrible feet. I have the wrong age. E_, when pressed, came up with an inspiration: "I like your arms". (These entities had been previously glimpsed on a prize-in-tombola webcam image relayed across a whole ocean from a distance of around sixteen feet from lens). Isn’t this providential? Another person I know, P_, has recently been chatting to a surgeon who does complicated stuff with hearts – taking them out, putting them back in again, bypassing them, stuff like that. The chats took place on a Spanish newsgroup for People of Tendency. The surgeon in question recounts how occasionally, he has been for three days locked in a cupboard with nothing to eat or drink except for high-oestrogen urine. Take pity on your surgeon. I will, when I get my feet sawn up. Remind me to talk more about a certain perceived incompatibility between perverts and scalpels. It has to do with how ANGRY we get. It turns out you don’t need a "reason" to be angry. Apart from, well, that. Guy walks past LB: "shall we have a hot dog?" The LB entrance is around 20ft wide: this bloke was about as wide as tall. I spat out a whole mouthful of Marie Brizard. And then there is the Anal Fissure, the absolute Rolls Royce of embarrassing and infuriating physiological torments. Not that it’s an easy competition. Just standing up these days is the baton-wave for a symphony of instant afflictions that rises to a crescendo of variously localised pains, and ultimately, when in street, a tutti of wretchedness and misery. There’s the back, the front, the sides, the chest, the feet, the lungs, the liver (if that’s what it is), the head, the eyes, the throat. It’s all so gloriously patchwork and malevolent. I feel privileged to have so many illnesses all at once. Mental and physical and both and in between. There’s more but I don’t think I oughta. There might be young people reading. I can be reached at the usual places, inc the uninhabited newsgroup I have taken to posting on lately. I find posting to a newsgroup that no-one else reads and which only gets the odd whimsical crosspost is very relaxing. You don’t have to worry about offending anyone. Not that I do much of that anyway, these days. I recommended you to P_, and she said she would love to chat with you if only she could speak a word of Eng or Fr. See, she appears to have… well, put it this way. I can be thinking something and she, at a distance of around three miles, at that precise moment gets a mental image of what I am thinking. It’s quite extraordinary. Although I think I would rather do without it right now. Current plan: to go to Santa Marta. And to finish letter to C_. I wish I could remember what I wanted to write about. Hate cybercafes. Can’t save stuff and go back to it. Tell OTS that to qualify for the Ugly Feet Contest, you need to have, for one thing, a proven inability to dance, and for another, some seriously misshapen shoes. Nothing less will suffice. OB – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Eleonore Beaudoin) wrote in message … > OB (nevilemo…@yahoo.com) writes: > > Well I’m probably late again but anyway here are the usual belated and > > shamefaced birthday greetings. This time I really do have an excuse, I > > have had no Internet connection for the last two weeks (writing this > > from local cybercafe) owing to cable company disconnecting me in > > preparation for a modem "upgrade" (euphemism for their having > > discovered that the old COM21 modem could be "fixed" to gain illegal > > bandwidth advantages) and sort of not getting round to it all that > > fast. If this is not a good enough excuse, how about this: > > Doctress: Well, here are the results of the strange test you did which > > consisted of someone rubbing vaseline all over your belly right down > > to the pubic bone and then prodding the area with something heavy, > > which was not at all an erotic experience although it might sound like > > one. > > Me: Yes? > > Doctress: OK. First off, your prostate is actually quite a good one. > > It appears to have a definite size and shape to it. > > Me: That’s good then. > > Doctress: Yes, isn’t it. Now here’s an interesting discovery: you have > > a liver. > > Me: Is that serious? > > Doctress: No, not at all. Quite a lot of people have a liver and find > > they can lead perfectly normal lives. However, your liver is not > > entirely normal. For one thing, it appears to be rather on the big > > side. For another, it has a cyst. And for a third, the scanning > > machine has come up with an error message saying "I can’t scan that > > thing. It has too much fat in it". These results would appear to be > > consistent with your being a drunken slob. Are you, in fact, a drunken > > slob? > > Me: Well, I have to admit this does seem to be an adequate summary of > > my character and achievements up to the present moment. > > Doctress: I thought so. Now, take a look at these results here, from > > the various blood tests you did. These show conclusively that your > > thyroid is not working properly. See, there’s this thing called a > > "hormone", that comes from your brain and tells your thyroid to > > produce more hormones. Well, it isn’t getting there. You suffer from

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Eleonore Beaudoin’s post: > "The Black Squirrel" (in French). > C

We have black squirrels near where I live. We’re famous for them locally. But I’ve yet to see one.

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Michaela’s post: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Kerr 062 wrote Eleonore Beaudoin’s post: >>>> Happy Birthday Chloe >>>>> {@} * {@} {@} * {@} * {@} : * {@} * {@} * .; {@} * {@} * {@} * {@} * ; * ; >>>>> {@} * ; * : ; | / / /; \ Y/ / / `_ |/ _’ / \Y// ( ,-}={-, ) >>>>> _//((_/ ))(( (/ )) (( ) >>>> Love from Emma and Mr Sklenge Pickles & Smudge >>> Merci, Mrs & Mr Sklenge!:) >>> Chloe >> Happy Birthday, Chloe. >> Obviously I don’t know you at all but anyone who will keep my wife from >> annoying me for as long as you and your friends do here is well worth sending >> best wishes to. >> So – best wishes for your birthday. >> Love, Ker 062 (Mr Sklenge) >> I guess I’d better take the wife out for that birthday meal now… I wonder >> if they serve anything as good as that curried pasta we enjoyed in Canada. >> ;o) > Yer a good sport, Mr Sklenge. Mr MichaelaMackenzie wouldn’t do what you just > did above. Not that that makes him better or worse than you, just different. > – Michaela

Well, enjoy it for now because he won’t be doing it very often. He’s just not a usenet sort of fellah. Perhaps I’ll roll him out for special occasions like weddings and bahmitvas. He’s sat there now eating his humus and quorn sammij and emailing folk about work. Sometimes I wonder what’s going to happen when his world of work stops.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Sklenge (skle…@yahoo.co.uk) writes: > Michaela’s post: >> Eleonore Beaudoin wrote >>> "Michaela" writes: >>>>> 1 >>>>> – >>>>> 8 >>>> ??? >>>> My decoder’s missing. >>> Code that means "typos due to drinking". >>> C >> Or mebbe it just means, I’ve had one eighth of >> my quota and can still count? >> Or maybe simply, one down, seven to go? >> Dunno, but I hope the answer is worth all the >> suspense. I wasn’t able to sweep a link last >> night. >> – Michaela > "One over the eight". > Is that another UK only expression for being drunk? We’ve got a ton of ‘em.

Most certainly is. Here, seing double is enough for us. We never get to eight….;-) —

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Michaela (michaelamackenzie05072…@yahoo.com) writes: > Kerr 062 wrote >> Eleonore Beaudoin’s post: >> >> Happy Birthday Chloe >> >>> {@} * {@} >> >>> {@} * {@} * {@} >> >>> : * {@} * {@} * .; >> >>> {@} * {@} * {@} * {@} >> >>> * ; * ; {@} * ; * : >> >> ; | / / /; >> >> \ Y/ / / >> >> `_ |/ _’ >> > / \Y// >> > ( ,-}={-, ) >> > _//((_/ >> > ))(( >> > (/ )) >> > (( >> > ) >> >> Love from >> >> Emma and Mr Sklenge >> >> Pickles & Smudge >> > Merci, Mrs & Mr Sklenge!:) >> > Chloe >> Happy Birthday, Chloe. >> Obviously I don’t know you at all but anyone who will keep my wife from >> annoying me for as long as you and your friends do here is well worth >> sending best wishes to. >> So – best wishes for your birthday. >> Love, >> Ker 062 (Mr Sklenge) >> I guess I’d better take the wife out for that birthday meal now… I wonder >> if they serve anything as good as that curried pasta we enjoyed in Canada. >> ;o) > Yer a good sport, Mr Sklenge. > Mr MichaelaMackenzie wouldn’t do what you just did > above. > Not that that makes him better or worse than you, > just different. > – Michaela

Oh yeah???:) Well, tell Mike that Chloe is ever so sad about his not wishing her a happy bday after having heard about him all the time….Shall see:) C —

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Michaela’s post: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Eleonore Beaudoin wrote >> "Michaela" writes: >>>> 1 >>>> – >>>> 8 >>> ??? >>> My decoder’s missing. >> Code that means "typos due to drinking". >> C > Or mebbe it just means, I’ve had one eighth of > my quota and can still count? > Or maybe simply, one down, seven to go? > Dunno, but I hope the answer is worth all the > suspense. I wasn’t able to sweep a link last > night. > – Michaela

"One over the eight". Is that another UK only expression for being drunk? We’ve got a ton of ‘em.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Michaela (michaelamackenzie05072…@yahoo.com) writes: > Eleonore Beaudoin wrote >> "Michaela" writes: >> >> 1 >> >> - >> >> 8 >> > ??? >> > My decoder’s missing. >> Code that means "typos due to drinking". >> C > Or mebbe it just means, I’ve had one eighth of > my quota and can still count? > Or maybe simply, one down, seven to go? > Dunno, but I hope the answer is worth all the > suspense. I wasn’t able to sweep a link last > night.

Nah, in some posts they estab;ished that they shoudl write "8 # 8" or soemthign of the likes to warn others about a post contens being a drunk one, with typos and all that can happen then. C > > – Michaela —

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Eleonore Beaudoin wrote > "Michaela" writes: > >> 1 > >> - > >> 8 > > ??? > > My decoder’s missing. > Code that means "typos due to drinking". > C

Or mebbe it just means, I’ve had one eighth of my quota and can still count? Or maybe simply, one down, seven to go? Dunno, but I hope the answer is worth all the suspense. I wasn’t able to sweep a link last night. – Michaela

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Kerr 062 wrote – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Eleonore Beaudoin’s post: > >> Happy Birthday Chloe > >>> {@} * {@} > >>> {@} * {@} * {@} > >>> : * {@} * {@} * .; > >>> {@} * {@} * {@} * {@} > >>> * ; * ; {@} * ; * : > >> ; | / / /; > >> \ Y/ / / > >> `_ |/ _’ > > / \Y// > > ( ,-}={-, ) > > _//((_/ > > ))(( > > (/ )) > > (( > > ) > >> Love from > >> Emma and Mr Sklenge > >> Pickles & Smudge > > Merci, Mrs & Mr Sklenge!:) > > Chloe > Happy Birthday, Chloe. > Obviously I don’t know you at all but anyone who will keep my wife from > annoying me for as long as you and your friends do here is well worth > sending best wishes to. > So – best wishes for your birthday. > Love, > Ker 062 (Mr Sklenge) > I guess I’d better take the wife out for that birthday meal now… I wonder > if they serve anything as good as that curried pasta we enjoyed in Canada. > ;o)

Yer a good sport, Mr Sklenge. Mr MichaelaMackenzie wouldn’t do what you just did above. Not that that makes him better or worse than you, just different. – Michaela

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Eleonore Beaudoin’s post: > Oh wow!!!!! Whatta nice ASCII!!!!! > Never had seen this one, and since I used to have only text until 3-4 > years ago, I saw many. > Very very nice!! > And thoughtful, too:) > Merci, Mrs & Mr Sklenge!:) > Chloe

Tha’s okay… I thought it was pretty too. Did you see the ascii star wars site that I posted up last month? http://www.asciimation.co.nz/ We’re going out for dinner tonight to celebrate your birthday. How many years is it now? Hope your birthday celebration is one of the best yet. If I don’t get drunk I may be able to post later. Get ready to translate… 1 - 8

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Eleonore Beaudoin’s post: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Happy Birthday Chloe >>> {@} * {@} >>> {@} * {@} * {@} >>> : * {@} * {@} * .; >>> {@} * {@} * {@} * {@} >>> * ; * ; {@} * ; * : >> ; | / / /; >> \ Y/ / / >> `_ |/ _’ > / \Y// > ( ,-}={-, ) > _//((_/ > ))(( > (/ )) > (( > ) >> Love from >> Emma and Mr Sklenge >> Pickles & Smudge > Merci, Mrs & Mr Sklenge!:) > Chloe

Happy Birthday, Chloe. Obviously I don’t know you at all but anyone who will keep my wife from annoying me for as long as you and your friends do here is well worth sending best wishes to. So – best wishes for your birthday. Love, Ker 062 (Mr Sklenge) I guess I’d better take the wife out for that birthday meal now… I wonder if they serve anything as good as that curried pasta we enjoyed in Canada. ;o)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -ske (no.m…@spam.net) writes: > Sklenge wrote: >> Happy Birthday Chloe >> {@} * {@} >> {@} * {@} * {@} >> : * {@} * {@} * .; >> {@} * {@} * {@} * {@} >> * ; * ; {@} * ; * : >> ; | / / /; >> \ Y/ / / >> `_ |/ _’ >> / \Y// >> ( ,-}={-, ) >> _//((_/ >> ))(( >> (/ )) >> (( >> ) >> Love from >> Emma and Mr Sklenge >> Pickles & Smudge > Pretty picture to piggy back on, yay!

Certainly is!!!:) > Happy birthday Chloe, hope you have a great day and many happy returns!

Thanks, Ske! May the day be nice for everyone!:) When is YOUR bday? C > — > .ske

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Happy Birthday Chloe {@} * {@} {@} * {@} * {@} : * {@} * {@} * .; {@} * {@} * {@} * {@} * ; * ; {@} * ; * : ; | / / /; \ Y/ / / `_ |/ _’ / \Y// ( ,-}={-, ) _//((_/ ))(( (/ )) (( ) Love from Emma and Mr Sklenge Pickles & Smudge

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Sklenge (skle…@yahoo.co.uk) writes: > Happy Birthday Chloe > {@} * {@} > {@} * {@} * {@} > : * {@} * {@} * .; > {@} * {@} * {@} * {@} > * ; * ; {@} * ; * : > ; | / / /; > \ Y/ / / > `_ |/ _’ > / \Y// > ( ,-}={-, ) > _//((_/ > ))(( > (/ )) > (( > ) > Love from > Emma and Mr Sklenge > Pickles & Smudge

Oh wow!!!!! Whatta nice ASCII!!!!! Never had seen this one, and since I used to have only text until 3-4 years ago, I saw many. Very very nice!! And thoughtful, too:) Merci, Mrs & Mr Sklenge!:) Chloe > —

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Sklenge wrote: > Happy Birthday Chloe > {@} * {@} > {@} * {@} * {@} > : * {@} * {@} * .; > {@} * {@} * {@} * {@} > * ; * ; {@} * ; * : > ; | / / /; > \ Y/ / / > `_ |/ _’ > / \Y// > ( ,-}={-, ) > _//((_/ > ))(( > (/ )) > (( > ) > Love from > Emma and Mr Sklenge > Pickles & Smudge

Pretty picture to piggy back on, yay! Happy birthday Chloe, hope you have a great day and many happy returns! — .ske

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Anyone out there on "South Beach Diet" ?

admin — Sat, 18 Oct 2003 00:00:00 +0000

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Not quite yet. I just bought the book today and plan on starting on Monday. It does come highly recommended though – I know several folks on it who have had great success and are very happy with it. Wish me luck! — Donna A pessimist believes all women are bad. An optimist hopes they are. To reply, remove the SPAM BLOCK

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I bought the book, read it and did diet for a while. The book is poorly written and confusing. Food lists are incomplete and inconsistent at best. Foods that are in the recipes are not on the food list, food list foods are not in the recipes. But hey, it’s a great way for you get hooked into paying $30 bucks to be a member on the website w/ an ongoing monthly fee. : At least I got what I paid for it on ebay. ~Kat "Rice Krispies. East meets west" Cosmo Kramer

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I just got the book today. I got it at the library. I got it mainly for some recipes. DH & I have been LCing for about 6 weeks now. We have Adkins book. I am still gathering information from all sources. I have Dr.Phil’s new book too. We are doing very well with just reading labels & staying away from foods too high in carbs. He has taken his belt in 6 notches so far & I have lost over 15 lbs. We both feel great!! My B/G readings have gone way down. I MAy be on my way to not needing the diabetic meds, or maybe a cut back.

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Good luck on you diet – I was on it for about 3 weeks and had lost 12 pounds, then went to the second stage where the weight loss is somewhat slower. Then I went to a two week family reunion where I gained back 4 of my lost pounds, but am now back on it. It does work.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Not quite yet. I just bought the book today and plan on starting on Monday. It does come highly recommended though – I know several folks on it who have had great success and are very happy with it. Wish me luck! — Donna A pessimist believes all women are bad. An optimist hopes they are. To reply, remove the SPAM BLOCK

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Yes. My wife and I are on it. The book may be confusing for some who need absolute rules, but the thing I take from the Diet is that it is flexable and needs to be tailored to the specific individual. There are things in the Phase 1 recipies that aren’t specifically in the Approved Food List, but they appear in small quantities and only on one or two days. My wife lost 12 pounds in Phase 1 and another 2 the 1st week of Phase 2. I lost 15 pounds from 1 week prior to our official start through the end of Phase 1. I needed to move into Phase 3 style eating because I can’t really afford to lose more weight. (I’m on it to change my diet to a diabetis friendly diet and because I do all meal planning and cooking for the family, so I need to know what to do). My wife wants to loose faster, so we will be including Phase 1 days a few times per week. I would recommend this over Atkins if you need more variety in food choices and don’t really like that much meat. My wife couldn’t start Atkins because the meat choices and amount of intake was too much for her. This may take longer, but it is a diet we can live with for the long term. That is important for us. By the way, we haven’t signed up for any website and are doing just fine. Hope this helps. Kurt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Not quite yet. I just bought the book today and plan on starting on Monday. It does come highly recommended though – I know several folks on it who have had great success and are very happy with it. Wish me luck!

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Thirst

admin — Wed, 04 Jun 2003 00:00:00 +0000

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So I am only a few days into Induction and I notice I am much more thirsty than normal. I suppose this is good since I need to drink more water than I have been, but has this happend to anybody else? If so do you ever feel hungry after a glass of water, even if you weren’t before?

I’ve never done induction but I am a lot more thirsty now than before. — Michael Nielsen M.Sc.EE Music: http://mp3.com/archon2 Website: http://www.archonia.dk

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Actually, carbs retain water. When you take the carbs out of your system, you’re no longer retaining so much water. When on induction, the first weight you lose is water weight. That’s because you’ve eliminated the carbs that are retaining all that water. It’s very natural to become more thirsty, not only because you’re no longer retaining water, but you’re also eating more fat and protein – making you thirsty. And since we all need water to live, this is a great way to make sure we drink it. It’s good for our organs and our skin and for our muscles to work properly. It’s essential to the liver, which aids in our food breakdown, and it flushes the toxins out of us. Enjoy the thirst!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So I am only a few days into Induction and I notice I am much more thirsty than normal. I suppose this is good since I need to drink more water than I have been, but has this happend to anybody else? If so do you ever feel hungry after a glass of water, even if you weren’t before? I’ve never done induction but I am a lot more thirsty now than before. — Michael Nielsen M.Sc.EE Music: http://mp3.com/archon2 Website: http://www.archonia.dk

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Water is very good for you. Drink as much as you want. I think on diets with lots of unnatural foods we lose our natural thirst. I drink about 4 liters a day. Tom

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Yes, but I think it’s normal. Go ahead and drink more water, it’s good for you.

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I’ve used a rule about how much water to drink daily. Take one/half of your body weight in pounds and that is how many ounces of water to drink daily at a minimum. Excess thirst is a symptom for diabetes and other problems too, so have yourself checked. JimL

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I’m in the first week too, and am very thirsty as well. I think it’s from the diet change, eating so much cheese, and meat. I wouldn’t worry about the diabetis comment. I’ve done weight watchers for the last 5 months and have lost 35 pounds on it, and never had this thirst like I do now.

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Diabetis Control Software WISH LIST …

admin — Thu, 17 Apr 2003 00:00:00 +0000

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I export all of my reading from my palm to an excel spreadsheet that graphs a bunch of stuff. The most interesting is the 3 day moving average. I’ve adjusted it to 5 and 7 days but 3 seems to give the best picture. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A while back my CDE and I played around with a running average, but we could never decide what period and number of readings was helpful. Since I was taking a lot of readings, the idea was to see if my running average was going up or down over a period of time. I liked the idea but could never quite pin it down. I wanted to know if this 3 or 5 or 7 days avrage was heading up or down from the previosu period. I just thought the overall picture would be helpful to see which way my BS average was headed. H.Eddens. Hi! I’m pretty sure a lot of you here have come across (or use) several diabetes-related software. I would like to know if they had been helpful or not. I’m interested in developing my own diabetis control software for my own personal use. I would be grateful for your input on what features to put in it, and will be more than happy to share free copies of it to anyone who will be interested. I basically want to know what features you liked, disliked, and/or wished they have (anything under the sun that’s REASONABLE!). For example, right now I’m thinking of adding the following features: – ability to enter (or read from a text file) daily BG levels and graph them by whatever time period the user wants; – provide summary analysis of the data (e.g., list of days that you were within a certain BG range, and why); – enter daily comments/notes and allow the user to search them (e.g., "when was the last time I had a normal reading?"); – enter favorite diabetic recipes; – enter electronic reminders (e.g., appointment with doctor six months from now) and "alarms" to keep you from missing them; Can’t think of anything else. If you’re interested, thank you. Greg

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Rick and Hi_Therre: Thanks for the feedback. I certainly know the disadvantages of reinventing the wheel. However, as a programmer, I always want my "favorite" programs to do things exactly the way I want them to be done, and without all the features I don’t need. Using two or three different programs with many "unnecessary" features is, to me, unmanageable. Fortunately, I have been developing database applications (with simple graphic capabilities) for so many years, I feel confident that the features I’ve seen on some of the diabetes software products I’ve seen so far (at least, the ones I liked) will not take me long to recreate. The big bonus for me is, I’m seeing exactly what I want, in the format that I like, and with all the features I need in the same program. Also, there are still some features that I haven’t seen elsewhere, which I really would like to incorporate in my program. And, yes, I don’t intend to make money from this. I just want to do something for myself (first of all) and for those who will help me make it a useful program and want a copy of it. more later … gotta go! Thanks! Greg

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All! Thank you for the responses, so far. I’ll keep waiting for more. I’ll try to incorporate the features of the free software posted by Hi_Therre, as well as the exercise-related info posted by Dazey. Jim Dumas, man, sorry but I am not that math/medical savvy, so I will most probably stay away from the insulin-dosing features. My current intention is to provide a convenient tool for managing diabetes, as well as having a single place where to store all information related to my diabetic existence (articles, recipes, personal notes and reminders —– heck, even correlation between my own BG levels and the winning lottery numbers ). Yes, there will be graphs, summary reports, even forms. Thanks, and please keep them coming. Greg! Hi! I’m pretty sure a lot of you here have come across (or use) several diabetes-related software. I would like to know if they had been helpful or not. I’m interested in developing my own diabetis control software for my own personal use. I would be grateful for your input on what features to put in it, and will be more than happy to share free copies of it to anyone who will be interested. I basically want to know what features you liked, disliked, and/or wished they have (anything under the sun that’s REASONABLE!). For example, right now I’m thinking of adding the following features: – ability to enter (or read from a text file) daily BG levels and graph them by whatever time period the user wants; – provide summary analysis of the data (e.g., list of days that you were within a certain BG range, and why); – enter daily comments/notes and allow the user to search them (e.g., "when was the last time I had a normal reading?"); – enter favorite diabetic recipes; – enter electronic reminders (e.g., appointment with doctor six months from now) and "alarms" to keep you from missing them; Can’t think of anything else. If you’re interested, thank you. Greg

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Hi! I’m pretty sure a lot of you here have come across (or use) several diabetes-related software. I would like to know if they had been helpful or not. I’m interested in developing my own diabetis control software for my own personal use. I would be grateful for your input on what features to put in it, and will be more than happy to share free copies of it to anyone who will be interested. I basically want to know what features you liked, disliked, and/or wished they have (anything under the sun that’s REASONABLE!). For example, right now I’m thinking of adding the following features: – ability to enter (or read from a text file) daily BG levels and graph them by whatever time period the user wants; – provide summary analysis of the data (e.g., list of days that you were within a certain BG range, and why); – enter daily comments/notes and allow the user to search them (e.g., "when was the last time I had a normal reading?"); – enter favorite diabetic recipes; – enter electronic reminders (e.g., appointment with doctor six months from now) and "alarms" to keep you from missing them; Can’t think of anything else. If you’re interested, thank you. Greg

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi! I’m pretty sure a lot of you here have come across (or use) several diabetes-related software. I would like to know if they had been helpful or not. I’m interested in developing my own diabetis control software for my own personal use. I would be grateful for your input on what features to put in it, and will be more than happy to share free copies of it to anyone who will be interested. I basically want to know what features you liked, disliked, and/or wished they have (anything under the sun that’s REASONABLE!). For example, right now I’m thinking of adding the following features: – ability to enter (or read from a text file) daily BG levels and graph them by whatever time period the user wants; – provide summary analysis of the data (e.g., list of days that you were within a certain BG range, and why); – enter daily comments/notes and allow the user to search them (e.g., "when was the last time I had a normal reading?"); – enter favorite diabetic recipes; – enter electronic reminders (e.g., appointment with doctor six months from now) and "alarms" to keep you from missing them; Can’t think of anything else.

Hi Greg, I use an HP-48GX calculator with a 5th order insulin transport model that I wrote myself over 1990-1997. The last modifications in 1997 were a smaller compartmental model with dose size dependence for Humalog, R, NPH and ultralente. The feedback dosing loop uses a mirrored exp, (think of a delta function impulse with two different exp decay rates mirrored from the peak-plane), for insulin sensitivity that has a peak of ~180 mg/dl/U at a target BG of 90 mg/dl. This falls exponentially to a near-zero constant as BG goes to infinity. (Don’t want a divide by zero dose calculation as overdose could result.) So I’ve found that my insulin sensitivity is not a constant 40 mg/dl/U of insulin as you find in the literature. The 5 dependent first order differential equations for insulin transport are solved in closed-form so the calculator never needs to do a numerical integration that could take a long time. I find the area under the insulin action profiles (integrate the closed-form solution with calculus), based on this transport model, to estimate future insulin action that is subtracted from my next insulin dose. I do not attempt to calculate BG with this model as it is only for insulin dosing based on a look-up table of basal/prandial insulin requirements. I also make no attempt to model GI tract glucose appearance in the model (impossible task). I’m currently thinking of a new model that will use measured insulin action profiles using the glucose transform. My next platform will probably be an HP/Compaq iPAQ (I have two) running linux with Yorick (MATLAB-like freeware with stats) scripting for math and graphics of insulin dosing. The iPAQ has 2 PCMCIA card slots with an expansion sleeve that permits back-up/restore to compact flash for stand-alone operation, (no laptop download required if it crashes). The HP-48 already has this stand-alone problem solved where it backs-up weekly at 4 AM to a memory card. (I also use alarms to notify me of possible hypoglycemia based on area under the insulin action profile. So alarms are required too.) So my wish list is a metabolic model for insulin dosing that includes all insulin transport effects such as losses (potency degradation), antibody binding delays, exercise induced insulin sensitivity, etc. But this will never happen in the US commercially as the risk of lawsuits is too high to justify development costs. So you must do it yourself for personal use and not take responsibility for others that could misuse the model. (My greatest fear is an MD will not understand the model and misuse it. Then I get sued by the MD and the patient for their errors.) So insulin dosage modeling is a personal endeavor, — Jim Dumas T1 4/86, background retinopathy, rarely hypoglycemic: <1/mo. lispro+R+U+NPH daily, moderate exercise, typically <6% HbA1c

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A while back my CDE and I played around with a running average, but we could never decide what period and number of readings was helpful. Since I was taking a lot of readings, the idea was to see if my running average was going up or down over a period of time. I liked the idea but could never quite pin it down. I wanted to know if this 3 or 5 or 7 days avrage was heading up or down from the previosu period. I just thought the overall picture would be helpful to see which way my BS average was headed. H.Eddens.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi! I’m pretty sure a lot of you here have come across (or use) several diabetes-related software. I would like to know if they had been helpful or not. I’m interested in developing my own diabetis control software for my own personal use. I would be grateful for your input on what features to put in it, and will be more than happy to share free copies of it to anyone who will be interested. I basically want to know what features you liked, disliked, and/or wished they have (anything under the sun that’s REASONABLE!). For example, right now I’m thinking of adding the following features: – ability to enter (or read from a text file) daily BG levels and graph them by whatever time period the user wants; – provide summary analysis of the data (e.g., list of days that you were within a certain BG range, and why); – enter daily comments/notes and allow the user to search them (e.g., "when was the last time I had a normal reading?"); – enter favorite diabetic recipes; – enter electronic reminders (e.g., appointment with doctor six months from now) and "alarms" to keep you from missing them; Can’t think of anything else. If you’re interested, thank you. Greg

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One good approach is to use the existing diabetes software, find out what you like, what you don’t, then improve on them. People learn and copy from successful software products all the time. If you try to invent from scratch, or from ‘wish lists’ you can spend more time than necessary.. Try the software I list at my site to at least note the must-have features then build on them. — Editor, Internet’s Convenient and Unbiased Directory of Nutrition Software http://nutritionsoftware.org

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I would add… exercise, what kind and how long, foods eaten, or at least carbs consumed, and of course, the ability to download from many of the most popular meters. Graphs are nice, too. Also info on weight and weight loss. I’m not asking for much, huh? ::grin:: That, and it being free, would be my program of choice. ::grin:: But if it was good.. I’m sure you could sell it, also. There are lots out there, but very few who read from most meters. :-) Linda

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Hi All! Thank you for the responses, so far. I’ll keep waiting for more. I’ll try to incorporate the features of the free software posted by Hi_Therre, as well as the exercise-related info posted by Dazey. Jim Dumas, man, sorry but I am not that math/medical savvy, so I will most probably stay away from the insulin-dosing features. My current intention is to provide a convenient tool for managing diabetes, as well as having a single place where to store all information related to my diabetic existence (articles, recipes, personal notes and reminders —– heck, even correlation between my own BG levels and the winning lottery numbers ). Yes, there will be graphs, summary reports, even forms. Thanks, and please keep them coming. Greg!

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Frequent urination with Mobicox?

admin — Fri, 03 Jan 2003 00:00:00 +0000

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alt.support.arthritis: Anyone else here on Mobicox notice this?

Hmmm, now that you mention it. Always thought it was the M.S. — Joan Tom Hennessy (ironjustice aka watchman) on: Message IDs follow.

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Can’t answer the question but…. your trailer I can answer. Negative the absolute value of the speed of light.

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Shortly after my RD increased my Mobicox dosage to 15 mg / day, I noticed that I am urinating more than when I was on 7.5 mg a day or the Celebrex. The product info does not mention frequent urination as a side effect, but a search on Google indicates that it might be a not so common side effect. Anyone else here on Mobicox notice this? Thanks…Brad — We all know what the speed of light is, but what is the speed of dark?

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I was on mobicox for quite a while and I didn’t notice a more frequency problem. I did have a problem last fall and was found to have an urinary track infection. Once that was treated, the frequency was less. You might want to see your physician about this problem just to rule out infections or diabetis. Susanne

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Shortly after my RD increased my Mobicox dosage to 15 mg / day, I noticed that I am urinating more than when I was on 7.5 mg a day or the Celebrex. The product info does not mention frequent urination as a side effect, but a search on Google indicates that it might be a not so common side effect. Anyone else here on Mobicox notice this? Thanks…Brad — We all know what the speed of light is, but what is the speed of dark?

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Pancreas islets transferred succesfully to the liver ….

admin — Fri, 22 Nov 2002 00:00:00 +0000

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Hi! did the article actually say it was her own pancreas or a donor’s. If she is type 1 she doesn’t have any insulin producing cells in her pancreas.

I’m sorry, I’m not really sure if she’s Type 1. But I’m sure the article mentioned that it was her own pancreas, that’s why she recovered fast (no rejection). Greg

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Hi! I just read in the paper today about a Type-1 woman whose pancreas had to be removed, but was given islets (sorry, can’t remember the exact term) scraped from her pancreas and injected into her liver. The news said she’s getting better, and is starting to eat solid foods after months of being on intravenous infusion 24 hours a day. Does this sound good to you guys? I got so excited by this news because it seems to imply that curing diabetis (say, ten years from now) could be as simple as transferring these islets to one’s liver, and diabetis will be no more. Who needs the pancreas? Your comments are well appreciated. Thank you! Greg

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—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– Hash: SHA1 so excited by this news because it seems to imply that curing diabetis (say, ten years from now) could be as simple as transferring these islets to one’s liver, and diabetis will be no more. Who needs the pancreas?

If your beta cells are injured or dead in your pancreas, they won’t come to life when they’re put into your liver. There’s already research into replacing dead beta cells, both from human donors and from pigs, with promising results as well as big problems (immunosuppressant side effects, low supply of replacement cells, high cost). And the possibility of growing new beta cells from stem cells that won’t have any immunosuppressant problems is intriguing. Of course this may be a cure for T1s, but for T2s the best it can be is a way to get very advanced T2 cases back to less advanced T2 cases, but certainly not a cure. (And since T2s are 90% of us, even the most hopeful investigating in this direction wouldn’t call it a cure.) —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: PGP 7.0.4 Comment: Public key at http://hawthorn.mystarband.net/f-pgp.txt iQA/AwUBPd4kOabqL6lCLyfTEQJLmQCfT65cCSZo372FjrhUyS4PN0xJP2wAnjhw At3sDPFZf49pWntnVoC22mnJ =NneV —–END PGP SIGNATURE—– — "It is more uplifting to find the beauty, wonder, spirituality, and reverence in what we can see, than to imagine they only exist in what we [[ Type 2, diagnosed 2002-10-04 ]]

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Sky Diving

admin — Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:00:00 +0000

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My 70th Birthday is coming up in Oct. After 12,000 hours as an Air Force Pilot, and wondering what it would be like to be forced to jump, I’ve decided to give myself a Birthday present, and try Sky Diving. I’ll start training next Month and go for it in Oct. If you don’t hear from me after that, then I’ve proved you do get dumber as you age.—Herb F.

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says… My 70th Birthday is coming up in Oct. After 12,000 hours as an Air Force Pilot, and wondering what it would be like to be forced to jump, I’ve decided to give myself a Birthday present, and try Sky Diving. I’ll start training next Month and go for it in Oct. If you don’t hear from me after that, then I’ve proved you do get dumber as you age.—Herb F.

You’re gonna jump out of a perfectly good airplane? On purpose? Have fun, keep your knees bent and your feet together, and watch out for that size 13 ejection seat. And save the shirttail with the wafflestomper imprint. Jim

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My husband was with the 84th Airborne…yep you will be pushed out…:-) barb

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Hi Herb, Go for it! Were you Air Force Acadamy? My dad was AA Corp WW11 SSgt in a Control Tower in the Middle East. Please pardon my nosiness, but what did you fly? Thanks, Sleepy My 70th Birthday is coming up in Oct. After 12,000 hours as an Air Force Pilot, and wondering what it would be like to be forced to jump, I’ve decided to give myself a Birthday present, and try Sky Diving. I’ll start training next Month and go for it in Oct. If you don’t hear from me after that, then I’ve proved you do get dumber as you age.—Herb F.

Results From 8/2 The Good-A1c-5.7 The Bad-HDL-13 The Ugly-Trig-1175

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Good luck Herb, why not get sponsorship for a Diabetis cause. I’m in the UK but would gladly send 5 dollars. Fu http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–= Over 100,000 Newsgroups – Unlimited Fast Downloads – 19 Servers =—–

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Don’t forget the parachute!

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Now why would a sensible person want to jump out of a perfectly good airplane? LOL Good luck and enjoy! — Best wishes Louise

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B-36 and C-124===Herb F.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Herb, Go for it! Were you Air Force Acadamy? My dad was AA Corp WW11 SSgt in a Control Tower in the Middle East. Please pardon my nosiness, but what did you fly? Thanks, Sleepy My 70th Birthday is coming up in Oct. After 12,000 hours as an Air Force Pilot, and wondering what it would be like to be forced to jump, I’ve decided to give myself a Birthday present, and try Sky Diving. I’ll start training next Month and go for it in Oct. If you don’t hear from me after that, then I’ve proved you do get dumber as you age.—Herb F. Results From 8/2 The Good-A1c-5.7 The Bad-HDL-13 The Ugly-Trig-1175

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writes: My 70th Birthday is coming up in Oct. After 12,000 hours as an Air Force Pilot, and wondering what it would be like to be forced to jump, I’ve decided to give myself a Birthday present, and try Sky Diving. I’ll start training next Month and go for it in Oct. If you don’t hear from me after that, then I’ve proved you do get dumber as you age.—Herb F.

Hey I heard Daddy Bush did it for his last birthday and he is still alive. LOL Have a blast. Jeanne Type 2 Diagnosed 05/28/02

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In article <.net, "Herb F." <.net writes: My 70th Birthday is coming up in Oct. After 12,000 hours as an Air Force Pilot, and wondering what it would be like to be forced to jump, I’ve decided to give myself a Birthday present, and try Sky Diving. I’ll start training next Month and go for it in Oct. If you don’t hear from me after that, then I’ve proved you do get dumber as you age.—Herb F.

Have a GREAT TIME ! ! ! and hurry back ! (after your jump)

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How old was John Glen when he took the shuttle? My mother, on her 70th took a glider ride. She loved it! The B-36 was a monster. How long a runway did you need? Were you flying into Nam with C-24? Again please excuse my nosiness, but the subject facinates me. 12,000 hrs of flight time is almost 2 years worth. That’s a lot of Flying. Thanks, Sleepy My 70th Birthday is coming up in Oct. After 12,000 hours as an Air Force Pilot, and wondering what it would be like to be forced to jump, I’ve decided to give myself a Birthday present, and try Sky Diving. I’ll start training next Month and go for it in Oct. If you don’t hear from me after that, then I’ve proved you do get dumber as you age.—Herb F.

Results From 8/2 The Good-A1c-5.7 The Bad-HDL-13 The Ugly-Trig-1175

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Happy Birthday a little early, Herb! What an exciting birthday present to give yourself! You will be seeing "flying" from a completely different perspective! The news showed pictures of a lady sky diving recently and I believe it was her 95th birthday! Way to go! Good luck with your training and let us know it goes! Best, Dot Type 2 Diag 8/2001 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My 70th Birthday is coming up in Oct. After 12,000 hours as an Air Force Pilot, and wondering what it would be like to be forced to jump, I’ve decided to give myself a Birthday present, and try Sky Diving. I’ll start training next Month and go for it in Oct. If you don’t hear from me after that, then I’ve proved you do get dumber as you age.—Herb F.

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WOW! Sky Diving! Enjoy your birthday…and the view on the way to the ground. I have always been – and most likely always will be of the thought of actually jumping from a perfectly good plane. Living Vicariously… Marie, Caretaker Mom T2 Dx 3/2002

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My 70th Birthday is coming up in Oct. After 12,000 hours as an Air Force Pilot, and wondering what it would be like to be forced to jump, I’ve decided to give myself a Birthday present, and try Sky Diving. I’ll start training next Month and go for it in Oct. If you don’t hear from me after that, then I’ve proved you do get dumber as you age.—Herb F. WOW! Sky Diving! Enjoy your birthday…and the view on the way to the ground. I have always been – and most likely always will be of the thought of actually jumping from a perfectly good plane. Living Vicariously… Marie, Caretaker Mom T2 Dx 3/2002

TERRIFIED…that’s the word left out of the sentence… Anyway, hope you have a blast. Everyone I know that has tried sky diving is now addicted. Marie, Caretaker Mom T2 Dx 3/2002

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National Service Framework update

admin — Sun, 19 May 2002 00:00:00 +0000

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The British NHS is now close to finally setting in place the National Service Framework for diabetes care. Up to date information is constantly posted here http://www.doh.gov.uk/nsf/diabetes/ Ratty — ratty at diabetes.flyingrat.net Diabetes pages http://diabetes.flyingrat.net

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The British NHS is now close to finally setting in place the National Service Framework for diabetes care. Up to date information is constantly posted here http://www.doh.gov.uk/nsf/diabetes/ Ratty

Yippee !!!!! Well if only two of things I have had a quick browse actually get done and done properly then diabetis care will have vastly improved in my book. The two things I am refering to are from the service models and are the Pregnancy & diabetis Module plus Care of people with diabetes on admission to hospital. I gave birth to a baby girl last December (an early picture of her is on the web page) and was lucky enough to have almost the sort of care described in the Pregnancy & Diabetis section (The locally agreed protocals were outdated and not open to interpritation at 10.30pm as I as leaving the operating theature. Also the communication wasn’t always prompt and effective even if it was just a note in my file telling the midwife I didn’t need a special schedule regarding food during labour as this had been covered in detail with me and I did actually know what I was doing, Honest!!!). But on the whole it was great to be able to go to one place and have my needs seen to. In fact I usually had to see my diabetic specialist before the obstrician as a matter of course so that obstrician had the very latest information regarding my diabeitis to work with. Ok my appointment’s usually took 2-3 hours but at least my notes were up to date and everybody knew what was going on (most of the time). I also had access to a specialist diabetic nurse every day of the week who would either contact my specialist on my behalf and inform me of what was discussed (often less hassel for me) or arrange for me to see my specialsit in between clinics. The clinic also had a diatecian and a vistisng physiopheripst. A friend of my Mothers who has diabetes and was pregnant one county over had to go to two separate clinics and often found her notes hadn’t managed to travel between the two in time for her next appointment so never knew what was going off and found it all very stressful. Then I entered the labour suite and it all fell apart There was no special schedule or protocol in my notes regarding food during labour (quick panic). I explained what I had been told by my team and had some very doubtful looks from the midwife’s. Eventually they tracked down a member of my team who confirmed what I had been saying so that could be put into my notes and the world was yet again safe. To cut along story short I ended up having an emergency caesarean at about 9.30pm on December the 18th 2001. My daughter was born at 10.18pm and I left theatre around 10.30 -10.45pm. Upon a discussion started as to whether to put my on sliding scale insulin. I pleaded that as a Type 2 diabetic who had only been on very small does of insulin (4 units actrapid with lunch & 6 units Insultard with tea) I really didn’t think this was necessary. But protocol states that’s what you do to a diabetic after a caesarean so that’s what happened. Next they arranged to transfer me to the labour ward having explained I was on sliding scale. The ward agreed to take me and my family was sent home. I was on the ward for about 20 minutes before they decided they hadn’t got the staff to deal with testing my blood ever hour and adjusting my drips accordingly and also to test my babies blood and cup feed if necessary. Back down on the labour suite I actually had a very good night with the midwife who had assisted with the caesarean as it was a slowly night and I was her only patient. We discussed how silly me being on sliding scale was as I started of on glucose which put me high after an hour so was switched to insulin which then put me low etc. In the end as soon as my specialist diabetic nurse was in the midwife phoned her to ask if I could be removed from sliding scale. She asked why I’d even been put on sliding scale in the first place and of course I could be taken off it. My midwife stopped the sliding scale without permission from the Doctor on duty and prepared to get told off. Luckily the Doctor agreed with the Midwife and all was ok. Then I was transferred to the ward where I was asked whether I had my own insulin and if they would need to test me. My daughter received lot’s of care relating to having a diabetic mother (not all of it I was happy with) but no-one thought to tell me I could order diabetic alternatives to puddings. When I did finally discover I could (about 3 days later) and proceeded to order a diabetic pudding, the domestic asked the nurse’s who it needed to be given to and was told thee wasn’t a diabetic on the ward and it must be a mistake so just put it out for anyone to eat. Luckily I overheard this and manage to save my dessert and correct them. They were slightly surprised to discover the had a diabetic on the ward. Now I don’t like the idea of everyone making a big issue of my diabetes but sometimes it’s necessary for people to be well informed and when I’m in hospital recovering from an operation is one of those times in my book Also my notes while I was in hospital were documented very poorly and my daughter lost an alarming amount of weight which caused my community midwife to actually arrange an appointment with the Ward Sister to complain about my stay. She basically got told ‘Opps’ So if they managed to actually do those two things and integrate them where applicable then I will be one of the happiest diabetics around as I am considering doing it all over again in a couple of years What do other’s like about it and why ??? Morgana

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it just gets harder

admin — Sat, 11 May 2002 00:00:00 +0000

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"Qoo" wrote in message

news:abkvkk$kku$1@dahlia.singnet.com.sg… > Is there anything I can do regarding the ‘getting fat’ part by taking > risperdal? Don’t suggest exercise please. I’m a lazy shitter nowadays.

Eat less. Set portions for yourself and stick to eat. Eat at least 5 times a day spread them out as evenly as possibly. Stay away from carbs as much as possible. Ask the pdoc about other meds that might not cause as much of a gain. Good luck. Jim Please have a look at my web site http://mybipolar.tripod.com/jim/

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Is there anything I can do regarding the ‘getting fat’ part by taking risperdal? Don’t suggest exercise please. I’m a lazy shitter nowadays. "philip" wrote in message

news:bXaD8.46970$GLp1.28518@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Now that I take anti-psychotics, my lifestyle has totally changed. I no > longer go to the gym anymore. When I do go to the gym, my workouts are not > near the level I used to achieve. The drugs make me hungry all the time. I > tried risperdal and now seroquel, I get the same thing. I eat more and gain > weight. Now I get fatter it’s harder to move around, I find it harder to > move anywhere. I don’t think I’ll last long. It just seems so hopeless now.

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news:tocrdu0ua3b1mk22h79boruqaf9b06fuon@4ax.com… > If I had to take one again I’d take seroquel.

My shrink was talking about stopping meds sometime in the next couple of years. I’ve been on them for about 9 years, almost without a break, and the thought of stopping them seems like a miracle, but I’m wondering how I’ll cope without them, and if I should start preparing myself for being meds free sometime in the future. But I’m working blind, as I don’t really know what sorts of problems I could have. I would like to hear about coming off meds in detail, so I know something about what’s going to happen if and when I stop mine. — sm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> On Sat, 11 May 2002 15:28:06 -0700, in alt.support.schizophrenia "Cubit" > <1.408.578.0…@Spam.not> wrote: > >> try zyprexa, > >Ah, hell no! Zyprexa is worse, especially in causing weight gain. > >Maybe you can use a low dosage of one of the meds to find a balance between > >sanity and the fat farm. > — > Psychiatry is to Science > as Astrology is to Astronomy

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i take zyprexa since years and have no diabetis i also never heard about it — http://www.evot.org – do care about others with your voice

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Not to sound like a broken record, but I switched from zyprexa to geodon and I have lost 10 pounds so far. I had put on about 30. My appetite was just un-f*ing-believable. I could eat a whole meal and still be starving. I’m feeling much better off of zyprexa, too. -Michael "Qoo" wrote in message

news:abkvkk$kku$1@dahlia.singnet.com.sg… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Is there anything I can do regarding the ‘getting fat’ part by taking > risperdal? Don’t suggest exercise please. I’m a lazy shitter nowadays. > "philip" wrote in message > news:bXaD8.46970$GLp1.28518@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com… > > Now that I take anti-psychotics, my lifestyle has totally changed. I no > > longer go to the gym anymore. When I do go to the gym, my workouts are not > > near the level I used to achieve. The drugs make me hungry all the time. I > > tried risperdal and now seroquel, I get the same thing. I eat more and > gain > > weight. Now I get fatter it’s harder to move around, I find it harder to > > move anywhere. I don’t think I’ll last long. It just seems so hopeless > now.

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"Michael" wrote in message

news:udr2es2v2id70c@corp.supernews.com… > I switched from zyprexa to geodon and have already lost 10 lbs. > -Michael

I switched from Risperdal to geodon and have lost weight also. I have had some nausea, have you experienced this? Jim Please have a look at my web site http://mybipolar.tripod.com/jim/

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Now that I take anti-psychotics, my lifestyle has totally changed. I no longer go to the gym anymore. When I do go to the gym, my workouts are not near the level I used to achieve. The drugs make me hungry all the time. I tried risperdal and now seroquel, I get the same thing. I eat more and gain weight. Now I get fatter it’s harder to move around, I find it harder to move anywhere. I don’t think I’ll last long. It just seems so hopeless now.

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Its a question of which symptoms you prefer. The drug synptoms or the sz symptoms. Most drugs make the negative sympyoms worse. Thats what is happening in your case apparently. Negative symptoms are things like lack of drive, emotional flatness, loss of interest. Everything is a trade off. The mind drugs help? Damo http://community.webtv.net/damodara/MyStoryasIseeit

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try zyprexa, ask your doctor for different options and try each, you can also take some light antidepressivum z — http://www.evot.org – do care about others with your voice

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I switched from zyprexa to geodon and have already lost 10 lbs. -Michael "philip" wrote in message

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> try zyprexa,

Ah, hell no! Zyprexa is worse, especially in causing weight gain. Maybe you can use a low dosage of one of the meds to find a balance between sanity and the fat farm.

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diabetis in shepherd cross

admin — Fri, 15 Feb 2002 00:00:00 +0000

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I bet the dogs owners were pleased you could board the dog.

I often got to know their owners quite well. Often I was able to find ways of managing the dogs that would help them when they returned home. I’ve sometimes boarded elderly dogs but no diabetics. Do you miss working as a vet nurse?

Only on occasions, and I don’t miss all of it. It’s hard physical work, and emotionally tiring too. I don’t feel as young as I used to! It also had only a limited career path and was not particularly well paid (it has improved a great deal since I left). I didn’t end up very far from animals though – I’m now a freelance journalist and editor, specialising in pet books and magazines. Amongst other things, I’m the editor of the Kennel Gazette for the Kennel Club, and edit a lot of books on animal care. It still helps the animals, but it’s better paid and I work at home (much to the approval of my dogs). – ANDREA — Get PAID for the emails you already send and receive! ANDROMEDA – Internet Goddess Bloodaxe’s History Links: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/5055/ The Loony Bin Archive: http://loonies.net800.co.uk/

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(I never really stopped – there’s a dog here now, who’s not suited to kennels due to clusters of seizures that are poorly controlled by meds, while her ‘parents’ take a Valentines trip to Europe). Blind, lame, incontinent, ‘twitchers’, diabetics, paralysed, panic disorders and neurological ‘crackerdogs’…I’ve boarded them all and every one was a sweetheart! – ANDREA

Hi Andrea, I bet the dogs owners were pleased you could board the dog. I’ve sometimes boarded elderly dogs but no diabetics. Do you miss working as a vet nurse? Alison – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Get PAID for the emails you already send and receive! ANDROMEDA – Internet Goddess Bloodaxe’s History Links: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/5055/ The Loony Bin Archive: http://loonies.net800.co.uk/

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Many thanks to all who responded and in doing so give a brighter outlook on what I first took to be complete devastation. Andrea – yes I will mention to the vets about someone looking after them rather than kennels; Alison – if a small yorkie can take a needle every day then my big fella can surely do the same without getting stressed out; WalterNY- I live in Gosford, NSW, Australia. The vets have indicated that this can not be ‘cured’ but only controlled from now on; Shooting Star- I was told you cannot give pills in this case and it has to be injections in the flesh – not in veins. PS – I’m going to check out those web sites now – thanks. Michael

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i wanted to ask a question here i have read that some dogs do respond to just the pill but that vets dont bother to try this? doesn anyone know anything about this and how a vet would decide if the pills might work? you know now many many people that before took the shot dont as they have out all those new pills/ what about their use on the dogs and what dogs can acutally take the pills? is it jus that vets dont know what they are doing there as far as the dog goes that they dont want to try test done on your dog to realay determing if the dog is a diabetic and do you know what the sugar actually was then.

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Hi Michael, My neighbours yorkie has abeen diabetic for about 5/6 years. He’s 14 now. First you need to find out exactly what is involved before you make a decision. My neighbours dog has two injections a day and a urine test for sugar.. . He has to be fed several times a day At first , it can difficult ,because you have to monitor the dog to find out how much insulin and food you need to give . The vet will advise you on how much and show you how to give the injections. The insulin and disposable needles are expensive. After a while it becomes routine and I don’t think you’d need to care for your dog 24/7. You could try ringing different kennels to see if they would take your dog . Some do in the UK but you have to pay more. You might be able to leave him with the vet. The sites below will give you an idea of whats involved. http://www.petdiabetes.org/ http://www.peteducation.com/category_summary.cfm?cls=2&cat=1579 Alison

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just received some bad news today from our Vet who said our 10 yr old Shephard/Doberman cross has diabetics and needs to be treated with insulin injections. Wifey is not happy about this as she already has a full on work load with kids, work, house. Me – I’m away all day in the city working. Does anyone know the pros and cons of maintaining a dog with this re quality of life for the dog and for the family. We’ve been told basically that if we go ahead (which I’m keen to do) then it requires a dedicated 24 X 7 hour care. Bang goes holidays without the pets as I’m sure kennels would not get involved (or neccessarily have the interest) in giving injections at specific times and montitoring the diet. Basically I need feedback as to options open to us bearing in mind he has been an integral part of the family for 10 years and what have others done faced with the same situation. Euthanasia for an otherwise active happy dog does not sound like a viable option. MH

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You could try ringing different kennels to see if they would take your dog . Some do in the UK but you have to pay more. You might be able to leave him with the vet.

Also, you can ask veterinary nurses/vet techs if they’ll board them for you. I know when I was still in practice, I often took in clients’ dogs if they weren’t suitable for kennels. The owners got the peace of mind from knowing their dog was in trained hands and in a home environment, and I got to learn about the day-to-day management of different disorders and earn a little extra cash. (I never really stopped – there’s a dog here now, who’s not suited to kennels due to clusters of seizures that are poorly controlled by meds, while her ‘parents’ take a Valentines trip to Europe). Blind, lame, incontinent, ‘twitchers’, diabetics, paralysed, panic disorders and neurological ‘crackerdogs’…I’ve boarded them all and every one was a sweetheart! – ANDREA — Get PAID for the emails you already send and receive! ANDROMEDA – Internet Goddess Bloodaxe’s History Links: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/5055/ The Loony Bin Archive: http://loonies.net800.co.uk/

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i wanted to ask a question here i have read that some dogs do respond to just the pill but that vets dont bother to try this? doesn anyone know anything about this and how a vet would decide if the pills might work? you know now many many people that before took the shot dont as they have out all those new pills/ what about their use on the dogs and what dogs can acutally take the pills? is it jus that vets dont know what they are doing there as far as the dog goes that they dont want to try test done on your dog to realay determing if the dog is a diabetic and do you know what the sugar actually was then.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just received some bad news today from our Vet who said our 10 yr old Shephard/Doberman cross has diabetics and needs to be treated with insulin injections. Wifey is not happy about this as she already has a full on work load with kids, work, house. Me – I’m away all day in the city working. Does anyone know the pros and cons of maintaining a dog with this re quality of life for the dog and for the family. We’ve been told basically that if we go ahead (which I’m keen to do) then it requires a dedicated 24 X 7 hour care. Bang goes holidays without the pets as I’m sure kennels would not get involved (or neccessarily have the interest) in giving injections at specific times and montitoring the diet. Basically I need feedback as to options open to us bearing in mind he has been an integral part of the family for 10 years and what have others done faced with the same situation. Euthanasia for an otherwise active happy dog does not sound like a viable option. MH

This method of ‘treatment’ is a band-aid to the real problem. Where are you located and I will suggest a vet that will deal with the problem and not the symptoms of the problem?

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I just received some bad news today from our Vet who said our 10 yr old Shephard/Doberman cross has diabetics and needs to be treated with insulin injections. Wifey is not happy about this as she already has a full on work load with kids, work, house. Me – I’m away all day in the city working. Does anyone know the pros and cons of maintaining a dog with this re quality of life for the dog and for the family. We’ve been told basically that if we go ahead (which I’m keen to do) then it requires a dedicated 24 X 7 hour care. Bang goes holidays without the pets as I’m sure kennels would not get involved (or neccessarily have the interest) in giving injections at specific times and montitoring the diet. Basically I need feedback as to options open to us bearing in mind he has been an integral part of the family for 10 years and what have others done faced with the same situation. Euthanasia for an otherwise active happy dog does not sound like a viable option. MH