Diabetes Talking

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How long do you figure before you give up and go back to your old ways of eating everything and anything, porky? — JC Eat less, exercise more. —

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Duh, really? I like your post most of the time but wow, sometimes you display so much knowledge even I can’t believe it. Outside the paradigm of crave/not crave it’s all about choice. You either choose to be fat or to follow the path of success. — JC Eat less, exercise more. — So I am done with induction and this week was my OWL week. I was fine on induction, but now after 4 days on OWL I have cravings for food when i really shouldn’t have any. It is more the thought of eating them, not the need of humger. Anyone else go through this? I am compensating by drinking water or decaf tea.

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I added more veggies and what not. Had celery with natural peanut butter, which could have been a trigger I guess.

Peanut butter would have done it for me. Maybe try cream cheese on celery next time?

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So I am done with induction and this week was my OWL week. I was fine on induction, but now after 4 days on OWL I have cravings for food when i really shouldn’t have any. It is more the thought of eating them, not the need of humger. Anyone else go through this?

Yes. But frankly, I am not sure how did I managed to get over. I guess I simply was hungry I think that this phase lasted two weeks or so. Then I forgot the whole problem. Also, eating some almonds here and there helps. My veggies and olive oil gone up since those times too. Mirek

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That’s a good philosophy JC, but I’m worried about cravings starting up, as well. I don’t think I can white-knuckle my way through life. After that Krispy Kream thread, I can taste the sugary sweetness of the glaze. I can deal with it for now, but will the cravings disappear over time? — -Bear Grrrrrrrrr ) 297/271/210 Highest weight  353 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Outside the paradigm of crave/not crave it’s all about choice. You either choose to be fat or to follow the path of success. — JC Eat less, exercise more. — So I am done with induction and this week was my OWL week. I was fine on induction, but now after 4 days on OWL I have cravings for food when i really shouldn’t have any. It is more the thought of eating them, not the need of humger. Anyone else go through this? I am compensating by drinking water or decaf tea.

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I still love Twix. I just don’t eat them very often. I suppose it’s a matter of how badly you want to achieve your goals. Just like in school, you might hate algebra, but if you really want to get a college degree you’re going to have to suck it up and drive on. Btw, that’s one of the reasons I hang around this newsgroup. I like to know I’m not the only one with cravings and hunger. It helps me in some small way. — JC Eat less, exercise more. —

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s a good philosophy JC, but I’m worried about cravings starting up, as well. I don’t think I can white-knuckle my way through life. After that Krispy Kream thread, I can taste the sugary sweetness of the glaze. I can deal with it for now, but will the cravings disappear over time? — -Bear Grrrrrrrrr ) 297/271/210 Highest weight  353 Outside the paradigm of crave/not crave it’s all about choice. You either choose to be fat or to follow the path of success. — JC Eat less, exercise more. — So I am done with induction and this week was my OWL week. I was fine on induction, but now after 4 days on OWL I have cravings for food when i really shouldn’t have any. It is more the thought of eating them, not the need of humger. Anyone else go through this? I am compensating by drinking water or decaf tea.

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Choice shmoice. Human choice in controlling calorie intake is a delusion.  Hunger can easily overwhelm an intellectually based plan for meals. The OP has discovered that increasing his carbs has increased his hunger. For many this is the key to how low carb succeeds. I would say he should return to the lower carb levels and take some vitamins. Cubit 308/274.5/165 exercise less, eat more meat and cheese – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Outside the paradigm of crave/not crave it’s all about choice. You either choose to be fat or to follow the path of success. — JC Eat less, exercise more. — So I am done with induction and this week was my OWL week. I was fine on induction, but now after 4 days on OWL I have cravings for food when i really shouldn’t have any. It is more the thought of eating them, not the need of humger. Anyone else go through this? I am compensating by drinking water or decaf tea.

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Mike, Something you ate probably raised your blood sugar higher than you have gotten used to, which caused an insulin release that brought it lower than you are used to. This causes hunger. However, if you eat at this level for a week or two, you’ll often adjust and adapt.  I don’t get hunger cravings now at the 60 gram a day level unless I eat 1) sugar alcohols or 2) something with a lot of garlic. I’m not sure why the garlic does this, but I can get out of control with a teaspoon or two of garlic hummus very easily.  Weird. — Jenny  - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my  email address! Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes, strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? Visit  http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So I am done with induction and this week was my OWL week. I was fine on induction, but now after 4 days on OWL I have cravings for food when i really shouldn’t have any. It is more the thought of eating them, not the need of humger. Anyone else go through this? I am compensating by drinking water or decaf tea.

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About as long as it takes you to be polite I guess. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How long do you figure before you give up and go back to your old ways of eating everything and anything, porky? — JC Eat less, exercise more. — Duh, really? I like your post most of the time but wow, sometimes you display so much knowledge even I can’t believe it. Outside the paradigm of crave/not crave it’s all about choice. You either choose to be fat or to follow the path of success. — JC Eat less, exercise more. — So I am done with induction and this week was my OWL week. I was fine on induction, but now after 4 days on OWL I have cravings for food when i really shouldn’t have any. It is more the thought of eating them, not the need of humger. Anyone else go through this? I am compensating by drinking water or decaf tea.

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Thing is I am only at 25 carbs max. Don’t really want to spend the rest of my life in Ketosis.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Choice shmoice. Human choice in controlling calorie intake is a delusion.  Hunger can easily overwhelm an intellectually based plan for meals. The OP has discovered that increasing his carbs has increased his hunger. For many this is the key to how low carb succeeds. I would say he should return to the lower carb levels and take some vitamins. Cubit 308/274.5/165 exercise less, eat more meat and cheese Outside the paradigm of crave/not crave it’s all about choice. You either choose to be fat or to follow the path of success. — JC Eat less, exercise more. — So I am done with induction and this week was my OWL week. I was fine on induction, but now after 4 days on OWL I have cravings for food when i really shouldn’t have any. It is more the thought of eating them, not the need of humger. Anyone else go through this? I am compensating by drinking water or decaf tea.

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So in other words, a long time. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How long do you figure before you give up and go back to your old ways of eating everything and anything, porky? — JC Eat less, exercise more. — Duh, really? I like your post most of the time but wow, sometimes you display so much knowledge even I can’t believe it. Outside the paradigm of crave/not crave it’s all about choice. You either choose to be fat or to follow the path of success. — JC Eat less, exercise more. — So I am done with induction and this week was my OWL week. I was fine on induction, but now after 4 days on OWL I have cravings for food when i really shouldn’t have any. It is more the thought of eating them, not the need of humger. Anyone else go through this? I am compensating by drinking water or decaf tea.

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Choice shmoice. Human choice in controlling calorie intake is a delusion.  Hunger can easily overwhelm an intellectually based plan for meals. The OP has discovered that increasing his carbs has increased his hunger.

he said the opposite: that it was the thought of eating them, not the hunger.  

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I still love Twix. I just don’t eat them very often. I suppose it’s a matter of how badly you want to achieve your goals. Just like in school, you might hate algebra, but if you really want to get a college degree you’re going to have to suck it up and drive on. Btw, that’s one of the reasons I hang around this newsgroup. I like to know I’m not the only one with cravings and hunger. It helps me in some small way.

Have a carrot.  Or some LC French toast.  Or some LC Carb Countdown Chocolate Dairy Beverage.  Maybe they would help with your cravings and hunger, JC.  Sorry.  I just can’t help myself. — Jean B.

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I still love Twix. I just don’t eat them very often. I suppose it’s a matter of how badly you want to achieve your goals. Just like in school, you might hate algebra, but if you really want to get a college degree you’re going to have to suck it up and drive on. Btw, that’s one of the reasons I hang around this newsgroup. I like to know I’m not the only one with cravings and hunger. It helps me in some small way. Have a carrot.  Or some LC French toast.  Or some LC Carb Countdown Chocolate Dairy Beverage.  Maybe they would help with your cravings and hunger, JC.  Sorry.  I just can’t help myself.

Twix is not low carb.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mike, Something you ate probably raised your blood sugar higher than you have gotten used to, which caused an insulin release that brought it lower than you are used to. This causes hunger. However, if you eat at this level for a week or two, you’ll often adjust and adapt.  I don’t get hunger cravings now at the 60 gram a day level unless I eat 1) sugar alcohols or 2) something with a lot of garlic. I’m not sure why the garlic does this, but I can get out of control with a teaspoon or two of garlic hummus very easily.  Weird. — Jenny  - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my  email address!

According to some forms of herbal medicine (I think  maybe Ayurveda, but I don’t remember for sure)garlic is an appetite enhancer. It sure works that way for me — makes almost anything tast better:)Robyn

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I do not crave anything I no longer eat. I used to love pringles and do not care for them even one bit anymore. I think that they are shit and not food. So are twix.

I truly marvel at you when you say stuff like this, ig.  I wish we could convince you that your experience is far from universal. I don’t think the things I used to eat will ever lose their appeal for me. I can convince myself that it’s worth it to avoid them, and I’m doing my best to stay focused in that respect; but the distaste you describe is completely alien to me.  I just don’t think I’ll ever feel that way. Having said that, controlling my appetite definitely takes effort.

That’s a relief – you *are* human, after all.  :-) For example, out grocery store sells "rotisserie lamb", which I would eat a lot more of if I let myself do it.

That sounds delicious.  One of my staples since low-carb is the lamb shish kebab platter from my local Lebanese place – "no rice, extra salad."  I get it about once a week, and it makes two meals.  Yum. carla

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Have a carrot.  Or some LC French toast.  Or some LC Carb Countdown Chocolate Dairy Beverage.  Maybe they would help with your cravings and hunger, JC.  Sorry.  I just can’t help myself.

I don’t think that’s the answer.  For me to get rid of cravings it means to be abstinent from sweet stuff.  Artifical or real.

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I added more veggies and what not. Had celery with natural peanut butter, which could have been a trigger I guess.

Peanut butter is a no no for me….big time trigger.  Have some SF jello with a dollop of real whipped cream instead.  That seems to do me right.  But not every night!  Make it once every 3 or 4 nghts, use it as a reward.

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You really don’t believe that you have a choice? You can either shut your pie-hole and push away from the table, or you can shovel a bunch of crap into your gaping maw. It is in the end, your choice. — JC Eat less, exercise more. —

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Choice shmoice. Human choice in controlling calorie intake is a delusion.  Hunger can easily overwhelm an intellectually based plan for meals. The OP has discovered that increasing his carbs has increased his hunger. For many this is the key to how low carb succeeds. I would say he should return to the lower carb levels and take some vitamins. Cubit 308/274.5/165 exercise less, eat more meat and cheese Outside the paradigm of crave/not crave it’s all about choice. You either choose to be fat or to follow the path of success. — JC Eat less, exercise more. — So I am done with induction and this week was my OWL week. I was fine on induction, but now after 4 days on OWL I have cravings for food when i really shouldn’t have any. It is more the thought of eating them, not the need of humger. Anyone else go through this? I am compensating by drinking water or decaf tea.

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I don’t measure up to your PC standards? Thank goodness.  ;-) — JC Eat less, exercise more. —

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – About as long as it takes you to be polite I guess. How long do you figure before you give up and go back to your old ways of eating everything and anything, porky? — JC Eat less, exercise more. — Duh, really? I like your post most of the time but wow, sometimes you display so much knowledge even I can’t believe it. Outside the paradigm of crave/not crave it’s all about choice. You either choose to be fat or to follow the path of success. — JC Eat less, exercise more. — So I am done with induction and this week was my OWL week. I was fine on induction, but now after 4 days on OWL I have cravings for food when i really shouldn’t have any. It is more the thought of eating them, not the need of humger. Anyone else go through this? I am compensating by drinking water or decaf tea.

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You go ahead and ingest that swill if you want, I’d rather see the rest of my abs in the near future. — JC Eat less, exercise more. — – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I still love Twix. I just don’t eat them very often. I suppose it’s a matter of how badly you want to achieve your goals. Just like in school, you might hate algebra, but if you really want to get a college degree you’re going to have to suck it up and drive on. Btw, that’s one of the reasons I hang around this newsgroup. I like to know I’m not the only one with cravings and hunger. It helps me in some small way. Have a carrot.  Or some LC French toast.  Or some LC Carb Countdown Chocolate Dairy Beverage.  Maybe they would help with your cravings and hunger, JC.  Sorry.  I just can’t help myself. — Jean B.

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Duh, really? I like your post most of the time but wow, sometimes you display so much knowledge even I can’t believe it. <–sarcasm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Outside the paradigm of crave/not crave it’s all about choice. You either choose to be fat or to follow the path of success. — JC Eat less, exercise more. — So I am done with induction and this week was my OWL week. I was fine on induction, but now after 4 days on OWL I have cravings for food when i really shouldn’t have any. It is more the thought of eating them, not the need of humger. Anyone else go through this? I am compensating by drinking water or decaf tea.

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I added more veggies and what not. Had celery with natural peanut butter, which could have been a trigger I guess.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So I am done with induction and this week was my OWL week. I was fine on induction, but now after 4 days on OWL I have cravings for food when i really shouldn’t have any. It is more the thought of eating them, not the need of humger. Anyone else go through this? No, what did you add in? 168/125/125  7 years: LC since 2/18/97 maintaining since 3/17/99 —   "There’s a seeker born every minute."

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So I am done with induction and this week was my OWL week. I was fine on induction, but now after 4 days on OWL I have cravings for food when i really shouldn’t have any. It is more the thought of eating them, not the need of humger. Anyone else go through this?

No, what did you add in? 168/125/125  7 years: LC since 2/18/97 maintaining since 3/17/99 —                 "There’s a seeker born every minute."

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Outside the paradigm of crave/not crave it’s all about choice. You either choose to be fat or to follow the path of success. — JC Eat less, exercise more. —

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So I am done with induction and this week was my OWL week. I was fine on induction, but now after 4 days on OWL I have cravings for food when i really shouldn’t have any. It is more the thought of eating them, not the need of humger. Anyone else go through this? I am compensating by drinking water or decaf tea.

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So I am done with induction and this week was my OWL week. I was fine on induction, but now after 4 days on OWL I have cravings for food when i really shouldn’t have any. It is more the thought of eating them, not the need of humger. Anyone else go through this? I am compensating by drinking water or decaf tea.

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