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Hello! I found these low carb bagels by ‘Todd’s Organic Bread’. Not really bagel like, but still very good! and 1 effective carb per half bagel??? Does anyone see hidden carbs in this??? Am I missing anything?? serving size 1/2 bagel calorie 143 fat cal 39 Total fat 4 g sat fat 1 g Total carbs 7 g fiber 6g sugar 1 g protein 19g Thanks much, Dana
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Oh yeah…and would these be appropriate for induction?? =) Dana – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello! I found these low carb bagels by ‘Todd’s Organic Bread’. Not really bagel like, but still very good! and 1 effective carb per half bagel??? Does anyone see hidden carbs in this??? Am I missing anything?? serving size 1/2 bagel calorie 143 fat cal 39 Total fat 4 g sat fat 1 g Total carbs 7 g fiber 6g sugar 1 g protein 19g Thanks much, Dana
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello! I found these low carb bagels by ‘Todd’s Organic Bread’. Not really bagel like, but still very good! and 1 effective carb per half bagel??? Does anyone see hidden carbs in this??? Am I missing anything?? serving size 1/2 bagel calorie 143 fat cal 39 Total fat 4 g sat fat 1 g Total carbs 7 g fiber 6g sugar 1 g protein 19g
You can find the hidden carbs for yourself. 143 — total calories – 39 — calories from fat _______ 104 — has to be calories from protein and carbs – 76 — calories from protein (4×19) ——- 28 — calories from carbs (or from *something*) Now divide 28/4 and you get 7, the number of carb grams on the label. What this tells you is that Todd has conveniently subtracted out the fiber for you. This product really has 13 grams of carb, of which 6 are fiber and 7 are ‘effective’ carbs. — AF "Non Sequitur U has a really, really lousy debate team." –artyw raises the bar on rec.sport.baseball
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Does anyone see hidden carbs in this??? Am I missing anything??
When I do the math I come out with 9.5 grams carb. 143 cal – 39 cal from the fat = 104 cal. 104 cal = (19 * 4) cal from the protein = 104 – 76 = 28 cal to be accounted for by carb. 28 divided by 4 = 7 cal from carb. It appears they already subtracted the fiber for you. .. Bridget M. Atkins maintenance for life.
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Oh yeah…and would these be appropriate for induction??
Read the ingredients list. If anything on the list is not on the list of induction foods, just wait the two weeks and introduce them in OWL, for your safest bet for good success. I figure, It’s just two weeks, so why set yourself up to fail over a bagel? .. Bridget M. Atkins maintenance for life.
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Does anyone see hidden carbs in this??? Am I missing anything?? When I do the math I come out with 9.5 grams carb. 143 cal – 39 cal from the fat = 104 cal. 104 cal = (19 * 4) cal from the protein = 104 – 76 = 28 cal to be accounted for by carb. 28 divided by 4 = 7 cal from carb. It appears they already subtracted the fiber for you. .. Bridget M. Atkins maintenance for life.
The math behind the "real" carb count confuses the heck out of me. Why wouldn’t you count that bagel as 7g’s of carbs? You get 20+ in a day? I just don’t understand why you would not count the fiber grams? Yea they are better for you then the sugar grams…but a carb is a carb is a carb…and I count all of em. What do other think of that? Am I alone in left field with this one?? Tks! s
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BTW – I’m talking after induction of course 
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone see hidden carbs in this??? Am I missing anything?? When I do the math I come out with 9.5 grams carb. 143 cal – 39 cal from the fat = 104 cal. 104 cal = (19 * 4) cal from the protein = 104 – 76 = 28 cal to be accounted for by carb. 28 divided by 4 = 7 cal from carb. It appears they already subtracted the fiber for you. .. Bridget M. Atkins maintenance for life. The math behind the "real" carb count confuses the heck out of me. Why wouldn’t you count that bagel as 7g’s of carbs? You get 20+ in a day? I just don’t understand why you would not count the fiber grams? Yea they are better for you then the sugar grams…but a carb is a carb is a carb…and I count all of em. What do other think of that? Am I alone in left field with this one?? Tks! s
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The math behind the "real" carb count confuses the heck out of me. Why wouldn’t you count that bagel as 7g’s of carbs? You get 20+ in a day? I just don’t understand why you would not count the fiber grams? Yea they are better for you then the sugar grams…but a carb is a carb is a carb…and I count all of em. What do other think of that? Am I alone in left field with this one??
You don’t metabolize the fiber grams. They go right through you. Priscilla — "I don’t feel comfortable with a boot with my name on it on the throat of the rest of the world." – Alan Winston in rec.arts.sf.fandom
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The math behind the "real" carb count confuses the heck out of me. Why wouldn’t you count that bagel as 7g’s of carbs? You get 20+ in a day? I just don’t understand why you would not count the fiber grams? Yea they are better for you then the sugar grams…but a carb is a carb is a carb…and I count all of em. What do other think of that? Am I alone in left field with this one?? You don’t metabolize the fiber grams. They go right through you. Priscilla —
wow…that is cool….so fiber grams you can be more lax about counting? I’m happy because I’ve been needing fiber lately (if you know what I mean) and I really didn’t want to break the diet because I’m on a good weight loss run. I was thinking of adding metamucil (sp?) or kidney beans…..is this ok? tks – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "I don’t feel comfortable with a boot with my name on it on the throat of the rest of the world." – Alan Winston in rec.arts.sf.fandom
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wow…that is cool….so fiber grams you can be more lax about counting? I’m happy because I’ve been needing fiber lately (if you know what I mean) and I really didn’t want to break the diet because I’m on a good weight loss run. I was thinking of adding metamucil (sp?) or kidney beans…..is this ok?
Know what works best for me? Broccoli! I try to eat some at least every other day. Kidney beans are carby, but they do have a lot of fiber – they’re not for use during Induction. Metamucil is okay, as long as it’s not sweetened with sugar. A lot of people here use either psyllium husks or ground flax seed for fiber. The ones who do will probably be posting some specifics for you. Carol — Type 2 Diabetic since 5-15-2001 Atkins since 1-26-2003 226/209/150
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone see hidden carbs in this??? Am I missing anything?? When I do the math I come out with 9.5 grams carb. 143 cal – 39 cal from the fat = 104 cal. 104 cal = (19 * 4) cal from the protein = 104 – 76 = 28 cal to be accounted for by carb. 28 divided by 4 = 7 cal from carb. It appears they already subtracted the fiber for you. .. Bridget M. Atkins maintenance for life. The math behind the "real" carb count confuses the heck out of me. Why wouldn’t you count that bagel as 7g’s of carbs? You get 20+ in a day? I just don’t understand why you would not count the fiber grams? Yea they are better for you then the sugar grams…but a carb is a carb is a carb…and I count all of em.
Well, if you were counting all of the carbs in this bagel you’d be counting 13, including the 6 grams of fiber! — AF "Non Sequitur U has a really, really lousy debate team." –artyw raises the bar on rec.sport.baseball
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The math behind the "real" carb count confuses the heck out of me. Why wouldn’t you count that bagel as 7g’s of carbs? You get 20+ in a day? I just don’t understand why you would not count the fiber grams? Yea they are better for you then the sugar grams…but a carb is a carb is a carb…and I count all of em. What do other think of that? Am I alone in left field with this one?? You don’t metabolize the fiber grams. They go right through you. wow…that is cool….so fiber grams you can be more lax about counting?
You don’t count them at all. If they’ve been included in the carb total, subtract them out. Now, they’re sometimes *already* subtracted out, so you need to be careful. In the US, you’ll usually see the number for fiber indented under the carb heading. That means their carbs are included in the total carbs and you should subtract them to get the net carbs. If they’re not indented, that means they’re not included, and you must count the full amount listed for carbs. From the calculations given in responses to the OP, it sounds like the fiber was not counted in the carb total, although the OP presented the number as indented. I find this confusing. Either the person who printed the label didn’t understand they shouldn’t have indented it, or the OP didn’t replicate the label accurately. I’m happy because I’ve been needing fiber lately (if you know what I mean) and I really didn’t want to break the diet because I’m on a good weight loss run. I was thinking of adding metamucil (sp?) or kidney beans…..is this ok?
Kidney beans are rather carbolicious, so I’d stay away from them myself. Metamucil should be fine. Hope this helps! Priscilla — "I don’t feel comfortable with a boot with my name on it on the throat of the rest of the world." – Alan Winston in rec.arts.sf.fandom
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello! I found these low carb bagels by ‘Todd’s Organic Bread’. Not really bagel like, but still very good! and 1 effective carb per half bagel??? Does anyone see hidden carbs in this??? Am I missing anything?? serving size 1/2 bagel calorie 143 fat cal 39 Total fat 4 g sat fat 1 g Total carbs 7 g fiber 6g sugar 1 g protein 19g Thanks much, Dana
If there was such a bagel we would have known about it on this group long ago. To begin with, the math does not work out — is is a deceptive label. There are many of us who crave bagels but have just had to do without. There are constant queries as to where a truly low carb bagel might exist — so far no go! — Diagnosed Type II Diabetes March 5 2001 Beating it with diet and exercise! 297/215/210 (to be revised lower) 58"/43"(!)/44" (already lower too!) Visit my HomePage at http://members.shaw.ca/finkirv/ Visit my very special website at http://members.shaw.ca/finkirv4/ Visit my CFSRS/CFIOG ONLINE OLDTIMERS website at http://members.shaw.ca/finkirv5/ Irv Finkleman, Grampa/Ex-Navy/Old Fart/Ham Radio VE6BP Calgary, Alberta, Canada
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone see hidden carbs in this??? Am I missing anything?? When I do the math I come out with 9.5 grams carb. 143 cal – 39 cal from the fat = 104 cal. 104 cal = (19 * 4) cal from the protein = 104 – 76 = 28 cal to be accounted for by carb. 28 divided by 4 = 7 cal from carb. It appears they already subtracted the fiber for you. .. Bridget M. Atkins maintenance for life. The math behind the "real" carb count confuses the heck out of me. Why wouldn’t you count that bagel as 7g’s of carbs? You get 20+ in a day? I just don’t understand why you would not count the fiber grams? Yea they are better for you then the sugar grams…but a carb is a carb is a carb…and I count all of em. Well, if you were counting all of the carbs in this bagel you’d be counting 13, including the 6 grams of fiber!
But the fiber was indented, which in the US means it was included in the carb total and should therefore be subtracted out. Priscilla — "I don’t feel comfortable with a boot with my name on it on the throat of the rest of the world." – Alan Winston in rec.arts.sf.fandom
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Thank you, I’ll stick to that…. =) Dana – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh yeah…and would these be appropriate for induction?? Read the ingredients list. If anything on the list is not on the list of induction foods, just wait the two weeks and introduce them in OWL, for your safest bet for good success. I figure, It’s just two weeks, so why set yourself up to fail over a bagel? .. Bridget M. Atkins maintenance for life.
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Ugh!!! I knew it was too good to be true….glad I ran out and ate a WHOLE one…<sigh ok…starting my "do over"…. because now that this has been brought to my attention, my 20g a day has been blown outta the water by 14g!!! <Climbing on stair climber $h!t Thanks all Dana – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello! I found these low carb bagels by ‘Todd’s Organic Bread’. Not really bagel like, but still very good! and 1 effective carb per half bagel??? Does anyone see hidden carbs in this??? Am I missing anything?? serving size 1/2 bagel calorie 143 fat cal 39 Total fat 4 g sat fat 1 g Total carbs 7 g fiber 6g sugar 1 g protein 19g You can find the hidden carbs for yourself. 143 — total calories - 39 — calories from fat _______ 104 — has to be calories from protein and carbs - 76 — calories from protein (4×19) ——- 28 — calories from carbs (or from *something*) Now divide 28/4 and you get 7, the number of carb grams on the label. What this tells you is that Todd has conveniently subtracted out the fiber for you. This product really has 13 grams of carb, of which 6 are fiber and 7 are ‘effective’ carbs.
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You can find the hidden carbs for yourself. 143 — total calories - 39 — calories from fat _______ 104 — has to be calories from protein and carbs - 76 — calories from protein (4×19) ——- 28 — calories from carbs (or from *something*) Now divide 28/4 and you get 7, the number of carb grams on the label. What this tells you is that Todd has conveniently subtracted out the fiber for you. This product really has 13 grams of carb, of which 6 are fiber and 7 are ‘effective’ carbs.
I don’t think this is right. If you look at any food count book….I use Corinne Netzer’s The Complete Book of Food Counts….it shows that fiber carbs have the same calorie count as any other carbs so that with this bagel, you have 39 calories from fat 76 calories from protein 28 calories from carbs 143 total calories That’s exactly what they say it has and there’s no reason that six of the carb grams or 24 calories aren’t from fiber.I don’t see any hidden carbs here. Hidden carbs are when you add up the fat grams x 9, the protein grams x 4 and the carb grams x 4 and get a higher number of calories than show on the package. I don’t know these bagels but from the information the original poster has given, it comes out right. I’d be interested in seeing the ingredients list for the bagel. Kitty. Kitty.
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:: ::: wow…that is cool….so fiber grams you can be more lax about ::: counting? ::: ::: I’m happy because I’ve been needing fiber lately (if you know what ::: I mean) and I really didn’t want to break the diet because I’m on a ::: good weight loss run. ::: ::: I was thinking of adding metamucil (sp?) or kidney beans…..is ::: this ok? :: :: Know what works best for me? Broccoli! I try to eat some at least Broccoli work great for me! I eat it every day, mostly.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I don’t think this is right. If you look at any food count book….I use Corinne Netzer’s The Complete Book of Food Counts….it shows that fiber carbs have the same calorie count as any other carbs so that with this bagel, you have 39 calories from fat 76 calories from protein 28 calories from carbs 143 total calories That’s exactly what they say it has and there’s no reason that six of the carb grams or 24 calories aren’t from fiber.I don’t see any hidden carbs here. Hidden carbs are when you add up the fat grams x 9, the protein grams x 4 and the carb grams x 4 and get a higher number of calories than show on the package. I don’t know these bagels but from the information the original poster has given, it comes out right. I’d be interested in seeing the ingredients list for the bagel.
Screwed up that last paragraph. Hidden carbs are when you add up the fat grams x 9, the protein grams x 4 and the carb grams x 4 and get a smaller number of calories than shown on the package. The missing calories are usually considered to be carb calories. In any case, I’d still like to see the ingredient list. Kitty.
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Organic Soy flour, Soy protein, water, Organic Whole Wheat flour, Wheat Gluten, Organic Oat Bran, Wheat bran, Organic Rye, Organic Flax Seeds, Organic Sesame Seeds, Pumkin Seeds, salt, Yeast, Vinegar Web site on packing www.toddsorganicbread.com Again…Thanks for all the help!! Dana
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone see hidden carbs in this??? Am I missing anything?? When I do the math I come out with 9.5 grams carb. 143 cal – 39 cal from the fat = 104 cal. 104 cal = (19 * 4) cal from the protein = 104 – 76 = 28 cal to be accounted for by carb. 28 divided by 4 = 7 cal from carb. It appears they already subtracted the fiber for you. .. Bridget M. Atkins maintenance for life. The math behind the "real" carb count confuses the heck out of me. Why wouldn’t you count that bagel as 7g’s of carbs? You get 20+ in a day? I just don’t understand why you would not count the fiber grams? Yea they are better for you then the sugar grams…but a carb is a carb is a carb…and I count all of em. Well, if you were counting all of the carbs in this bagel you’d be counting 13, including the 6 grams of fiber! But the fiber was indented, which in the US means it was included in the carb total and should therefore be subtracted out.
That’s what it’s *supposed* to mean. Unfortunately, as Lee Rodgers regularly points out, sometimes labels lie. That’s why you want to check it out. Here’s another reduced carb bread product: Beefsteak Light Rye. The label says 80 cal (per serving of 2 slices), 10 from fat; 17 g/carb of which 5 are fiber. Here’s the arithmetic: 80 — total calories 10 — calories from fat ______ 70 — calories from carbs and protein 20 — calories from 5 g/protein ______ 50 — remaining calories, presumably from carbs 50/4 is 12.5 suggesting that there are 12.5 g/carb, which is pretty close to 17-5, considering all the ways label makers are allowed to round off their numbers. So, in this instance, the fiber *hasn’t* been subtracted from total carbs. Nor is it included in the calorie count on the label. — AF "Non Sequitur U has a really, really lousy debate team." –artyw raises the bar on rec.sport.baseball
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Do you ever tried Shirataki noodles? Shirataki noodles is kind of Japanese traditional noodles, which was made by pure soluble fiber konjac glucomannan, the noodles does not have starch, no sugar, no fat, only soluble fiber and water, so the noodles does not have caloreis. You can get the noodles in most Japanese supermarket or You can even make the noodles by yourself according the online recipes:http://www.konjacfoods.com/konjac.htm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – :: ::: wow…that is cool….so fiber grams you can be more lax about ::: counting? ::: ::: I’m happy because I’ve been needing fiber lately (if you know what ::: I mean) and I really didn’t want to break the diet because I’m on a ::: good weight loss run. ::: ::: I was thinking of adding metamucil (sp?) or kidney beans…..is ::: this ok? :: :: Know what works best for me? Broccoli! I try to eat some at least Broccoli work great for me! I eat it every day, mostly.
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I often find that many people don’t give the natural craving suppression that a true LC diet offers, an honest to goodness chance. They lack belief in what a real change in the way of eating can do. My advice is, please don’t "stock up" on all the substitute versions of carbohydrate loaded foods. The Atkins’ two week induction period of meat, vegetables and fats has a real purpose: to get rid of your body’s cravings for these things. So don’t be afraid, "deprivation" is not inevitable on this WOE. If you allow your body to do this, you will reach a point where even green peppers will taste sweet and sugary. I know that I do. I find many things sweet on their own which many people feel they need to pour splenda all over to make it sweet "enough". I know you can do it. You don’t have to give up bagels forever if you don’t want to, just for a while to see if you can really allow the cravings to go away.