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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In article <, Glucose Buster < writes You should do a little more research before sharing such cynicism. You should do a little more reading of Dolores’s post before you jump to conclusions. Different meters employ different technology to calculate Bg content. I would be very surprised if your lab results matched your meter exactly. Why do you think they still draw blood and send it to the lab? Best of luck in you diabetes management. You’re going to need it. Dolores doesn’t need as much help with her management as you need with your reading skills GB. She was actually joking. GB ;-( Beav

sec to realise that D was joking……. and for a newbie, it would sound like scary logic week! — k t1 13 yr

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This why people with brains lurk a little before posting! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You should do a little more research before sharing such cynicism. Different meters employ different technology to calculate Bg content. I would be very surprised if your lab results matched your meter exactly. Why do you think they still draw blood and send it to the lab? Best of luck in you diabetes management. You’re going to need it. GB ;-(

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In article <, Glucose Buster < writes You should do a little more research before sharing such cynicism. You should do a little more reading of Dolores’s post before you jump to conclusions. Different meters employ different technology to calculate Bg content. I would be very surprised if your lab results matched your meter exactly. Why do you think they still draw blood and send it to the lab? Best of luck in you diabetes management. You’re going to need it. Dolores doesn’t need as much help with her management as you need with your reading skills GB. She was actually joking. GB ;-( Beav

It was an EXCELLENT joke. took me a sec to realise that D was joking……. and for a newbie, it would sound like scary logic

Or maybe it’d take a couple of MORE secs to see the joke. week!

Absolutely Beav

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Just because a meter gives a lower reading doesn’t mean that complications won’t develop. The best measure of how your bg control is a Agh1c done by a lab on a doctors order. That takes a look at the average bg control over 3 months. If it is a good range 6.5-7.3 then you are in good control and less likely to develop complications. Bev

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I read a question that someone posted on another news group. He said he uses a One Touch Profile and his readings were 144 at home, the doctor’s monitor read 188 and the lab test was 177. He was confused and called the company and asked which reading was correct and the company rep said –all of them. I have an Accu Check Easy and an Accu Check Instant monitor which give two different readings. So, I too called my company rep and asked about the difference. She said the same thing that the other fellow’s rep said. They were both right. I assume that whatever monitor you are using, if you call your company rep you will find that your monitor gives an accurate reading also. I have therefore concluded that since all meters are giving the correct value and the lowest blood sugars mean fewest complications, that it is very important for your health to find a meter that gives the lowest reading. I have switched back to my Accu Check Easy which gives a lower reading than my Accu Check Instant. If anyone has a meter which he knows gives very low readings, please let me know and I will run out and buy it. I want to get real healthy real fast. Dolores

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Dolores, I post my experience with meters about 10 days ago. My experience was similar in calling the One Touch Profile and One Touch Basic meters manufacturer. I also called the Glucometer DEX people and their comment merely restated their literature and the need to ensure that the meter is calibrated and operating properly. The One Touch person said that their reading can be off by a magnitude of plus-or-minus 20 percent. My Glucometer DEX tracked very close to my lab results, but the One Touch did not. Unlike you, I’m not interested in finding a meter that will render the lowest reading — but the most accurate reading. For that and other reasons, I will never use a One Touch meter again. Frankly, a reading slightly on the HIGH side might not be all that bad — it might make me try harder. (:^-) Best wishes, Charles Evans

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[snip] If anyone has a meter which he knows gives very low readings, please let me know and I will run out and buy it. I want to get real healthy real fast. Dolores

Dolores, I think I’m in love with you. Harvey

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This is better than Rex Hunt. Gulp!! Beav

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beverly ford’s original message about the hba1c being more important than the individual meter reading never showed up on my web tv version of mhd. However i did get Beav’s answer with some of beverly’s original post included. Unfortunately I am stuck as far as getting healthier by getting lower HbA1c readings. I cannot choose my own lab and must use whatever lab the HMO has chosen. However, since diabetes can be very expensive for an HMO and the lowest HbA1c readings mean the fewest complications and since each lab has a different range for normal readings, I plan to write to my HMO explaining this and I am sure they will allow me to switch to a lab with the lowest ranges. After all, they must see that it will cost less to pay a little more for a blood test, than to put out a lot of money for diabetes treatment. Thanks for the suggestion, Beverly. Dolores

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Most people are satisfied with one catch on a hook, but you apparently used a net. And you’re casting it out again?! Greedy. — #include <standard.disclaimer _ Kevin D Quitt USA 91351-4454 96.37% of all statistics are made up Per the FCA, this email address may not be added to any commercial list

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – beverly ford’s original message about the hba1c being more important than the individual meter reading never showed up on my web tv version of mhd. However i did get Beav’s answer with some of beverly’s original post included. Unfortunately I am stuck as far as getting healthier by getting lower HbA1c readings. I cannot choose my own lab and must use whatever lab the HMO has chosen. However, since diabetes can be very expensive for an HMO and the lowest HbA1c readings mean the fewest complications and since each lab has a different range for normal readings, I plan to write to my HMO explaining this and I am sure they will allow me to switch to a lab with the lowest ranges. After all, they must see that it will cost less to pay a little more for a blood test, than to put out a lot of money for diabetes treatment. Thanks for the suggestion, Beverly. Dolores

LOL! Dolores, you’re a total troublemaker! (I wish they had a "tongue in cheek" emoticon.) Wendy — The essence of science is restraint. Humility in the face of overwhelming complexity. A willingness to say "I don’t yet know." – Chet Raymo

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Dolores, it might be an idea for you to pay for a lab OUTSIDE the HMO at least once a year. That way you CAN find one that gives lower readings. I know it’s not quite as good as having a "low reading" lab ALL the time and it’ll cost more, but you simply can’t put a price on your health. However, since diabetes can be very expensive for an HMO and the lowest HbA1c readings mean the fewest complications and since each lab has a different range for normal readings, I plan to write to my HMO explaining this and I am sure they will allow me to switch to a lab with the lowest ranges.

I’m sure they will too. After all, they must see that it will cost less to pay a little more for a blood test, than to put out a lot of money for diabetes treatment.

I’m concerned though. HMO’s aren’t known for their logic. Thanks for the suggestion, Beverly. Dolores

Beav

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It was still cynical! Duh!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You should do a little more research before sharing such cynicism. Different meters employ different technology to calculate Bg content. I would be very surprised if your lab results matched your meter exactly. Why do you think they still draw blood and send it to the lab? Best of luck in you diabetes management. You’re going to need it. It was a JOKE! — Marilyn Type 1 for 33 years, Minimed pumping for the last 12

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hey this one is even better (and makes more sense) than that e floyd’s "great new theory" posted over past few days……best use of "alternative medicine" i’ve yet to see.. j you can’t win if you don’t play

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<< If anyone has a meter which he knows gives very low readings, please let me know and I will run out and buy it. I want to get real healthy real fast. Why don’t you stick with just one meter…….that way you’re not comparing apples to oranges……The meter readings are intented to give you a trend……the few points difference from meter to meter don’t mean much….. Jeez. Hook, line, and sinker –

Not to mention the basket and a copy of "Angling Times" )) mrandmrs, you’ve got a live one. Set the hook itself, it did. Now reel it in gently.

Absolutely no need for gentleness I suspect Beav

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I have therefore concluded that since all meters are giving the correct value and the lowest blood sugars mean fewest complications, that it is very important for your health to find a meter that gives the lowest reading If anyone has a meter which he knows gives very low readings, please let me know and I will run out and buy it. I want to get real healthy real fast. *LOL*! That’s pretty funny..I really hate when my meter reads lower than my serum blood test. Makes me wonder who’s lying *LOL*. Maybe if I drink plenty of water before my next test (of course I will have eaten that contraband donut while *fasting*) my sugar will be diluted and they cant tell what a truly *bad* girl I’ve been! Debbie (the lady hoarding all the girl scout cookies under her bed!)

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I have applied exactly the same principle to the selection of the bathroom scale I use for my weigh-ins. I have a favored way of standing on the scale that reduces it by even three more pounds

Hmmm..Mine is better than yours. *MY* scale removes 10 pounds for you the minute you step on..add on first morning weigh in, and standing on *just the right spot* you can be at least 20 pounds lighter..and it has the added feature of complimenting my guests (of course *all* my guests cant resist standing on the scale after using my restroom) by telling them they have lost 10 pounds since lunch. What a deal huh? Mebbe that’s why my scale lives in a box in the garage. Debbie

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You should do a little more research before sharing such cynicism.

You should do a little more reading of Dolores’s post before you jump to conclusions. Different meters employ different technology to calculate Bg content. I would be very surprised if your lab results matched your meter exactly. Why do you think they still draw blood and send it to the lab? Best of luck in you diabetes management. You’re going to need it.

Dolores doesn’t need as much help with her management as you need with your reading skills GB. She was actually joking. GB ;-(

Beav

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You should do a little more research before sharing such cynicism. Different meters employ different technology to calculate Bg content. I would be very surprised if your lab results matched your meter exactly. Why do you think they still draw blood and send it to the lab? Best of luck in you diabetes management. You’re going to need it.

It was a JOKE! — Marilyn Type 1 for 33 years, Minimed pumping for the last 12

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<<Jeez. Hook, line, and sinker – mrandmrs, you’ve got a live one. Set the hook itself, it did. Now reel it in gently. OK already……I’ve been had…… I don’t visit this board that often but remember some people getting their shorts all in a knot after reading a humorous message…..Guess I just assumed that was still the case.. "Blind people don’t bungee jump. It scares the dog too much"

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I have applied exactly the same principle to the selection of the bathroom scale I use for my weigh-ins. I have a favored way of standing on the scale that reduces it by even three more pounds. I’ve given serious thought to ‘optimizing’ the zero-adjust screw. Perhaps, some of the humorless and clueless out there, after they have realized that you were gently pulling their leg, will also realize that there is a significant truth hidden behind what you have said. The really, really, really important attribute of the home meters we use is their consistency. Given the same input,they will produce the same output with very good fidelity. Yes, you will go crazy if you try to make meter-to-meter comparisons. I would further venture to point out, that since we all have different non-glucose blood chemistry, the differences in results we experience comparing meters will not be similar. For me the AccuCheck Advantage may read 10 -15 percent lower than a One Touch, but for you the AccuCheck may read higher. What do you want for 50 bucks? Be glad that you have an effective means of trend comparisons which you can employ in the comfort and convenience of your own home. For the record, I am sticking with the One Touch system. I don’t really know if it is the best, but I know that it gives very consistent readings for me – and I have a huge historical backlog of readings to compare current ones with. P.S. I am now ocnverting my weight to kilos. I just recently dropped below 220 lbs, and that’s equivalent to 100 kilos. I like to describe my weight as a two digit number. As of this morning, my weight is 98, and I love that!

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LOL!!

| I read a question that someone posted on another news group. He said he | uses a One Touch Profile and his readings were 144 at home, the doctor’s | monitor read 188 and the lab test was 177. He was confused and called | the company and asked which reading was correct and the company rep said | –all of them. | | I have an Accu Check Easy and an Accu Check Instant monitor which give | two different readings. So, I too called my company rep and asked about | the difference. She said the same thing that the other fellow’s rep | said. They were both right. | | I assume that whatever monitor you are using, if you call your company | rep you will find that your monitor gives an accurate reading also. | | I have therefore concluded that since all meters are giving the correct | value and the lowest blood sugars mean fewest complications, that it is | very important for your health to find a meter that gives the lowest | reading. I have switched back to my Accu Check Easy which gives a lower | reading than my Accu Check Instant. If anyone has a meter which he | knows gives very low readings, please let me know and I will run out and | buy it. I want to get real healthy real fast. | | Dolores |

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Jeez. Hook, line, and sinker – mrandmrs, you’ve got a live one. Set the hook itself, it did. Now reel it in gently. — #include <standard.disclaimer _ Kevin D Quitt USA 91351-4454 96.37% of all statistics are made up Per the FCA, this email address may not be added to any commercial list

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I read a question that someone posted on another news group. He said he uses a One Touch Profile and his readings were 144 at home, the doctor’s monitor read 188 and the lab test was 177. He was confused and called the company and asked which reading was correct and the company rep said –all of them. I have an Accu Check Easy and an Accu Check Instant monitor which give two different readings. So, I too called my company rep and asked about the difference. She said the same thing that the other fellow’s rep said. They were both right. I assume that whatever monitor you are using, if you call your company rep you will find that your monitor gives an accurate reading also. I have therefore concluded that since all meters are giving the correct value and the lowest blood sugars mean fewest complications, that it is very important for your health to find a meter that gives the lowest reading. I have switched back to my Accu Check Easy which gives a lower reading than my Accu Check Instant. If anyone has a meter which he knows gives very low readings, please let me know and I will run out and buy it. I want to get real healthy real fast. Dolores

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