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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 03:53:35 Fri, 1 Aug 2003misc.health.diabetes 19:18:02 Sat, 26 Jul 2003misc.health.diabetes : I’m just wondering, has there ever been a case, anywhere, of somebody : being cured of type 1 (or 2) diabetes ? : Possibilites are pancreas transplants, or stem-cell implants, but the latter is in the very early stages of research AFAIK. Martin, please quote correctly.  I did not ask that question. I’m puzzled by that: I didn’t think you asked that either. Oh, well…

mistakes happen. Mack Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org  In tribute to the United States of America and the State  of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and  terrorism.

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03:53:35 Fri, 1 Aug 2003misc.health.diabetes – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 19:18:02 Sat, 26 Jul 2003misc.health.diabetes : I’m just wondering, has there ever been a case, anywhere, of somebody : being cured of type 1 (or 2) diabetes ? : Possibilites are pancreas transplants, or stem-cell implants, but the latter is in the very early stages of research AFAIK. Martin, please quote correctly.  I did not ask that question.

I’m puzzled by that: I didn’t think you asked that either. Oh, well… — London, UK              Home Page:      http://www.tucana.demon.co.uk                          Web Shop:      http://buy.at/tucana           Mobile Phone Ring Tones:      http://www.ringamoby.com "Everything I do and say with anyone makes a difference." Gita Bellin

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19:18:02 Sat, 26 Jul 2003misc.health.diabetes : I’m just wondering, has there ever been a case, anywhere, of somebody : being cured of type 1 (or 2) diabetes ? : Possibilites are pancreas transplants, or stem-cell implants, but the latter is in the very early stages of research AFAIK.

Martin, please quote correctly.  I did not ask that question. Mack Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org  In tribute to the United States of America and the State  of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and  terrorism.

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Ok, so I am a little cynical.  How do we get a med like Rezulin on the market that almost kills everyone who takes it and after all these years we can’t approve stem cell implants?  Is there a diabetes medical machine (meds, syringes, test equip, lancets, pumps, insulin, orals) that would be too huge a business to shut down if diabetics were "CURED".  I’m not saying there is, but I do wonder sometimes.

Ahh. Stem cells is its own social, not scientific, problem. The religious right at least in the US is deeply concerned about anything that smacks of using fetal tissues, lest it lessen the "every fetus is a sacred baby" belief they foster. It’s key to their objection to legal abortion, along with their "womens is for havin’ babees, and mens is for bringin’ home the supper" attitudes about women’s rights. Given their objections to birth control of *any* kind, it’s no surprise that they object to anything that might harvest fetal tissue in any way, shape, or form. The research is ongoing, but with much less funding, overseas. Something like 15 years ago a bunch of the US researchers went to France where they could get funding without various FDA restrictions. I haven’t heard about them in ages, so I assume they’re running into other problems.

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Ok, so I am a little cynical.  How do we get a med like Rezulin on the market that almost kills everyone who takes it

The liver risks from Rezulin were something like one in 50,000; the later returns may have increased this.   There are not that many drugs on the market which are this safe. It is not clear that the substitutes for Rezulin, which do not seem to have the liver problems, are any safer when used with insulin; they have other problems, and the effects are not as clear, just increased risks.         and after all these years we can’t approve stem cell implants?

Have we even tried that many stem cell implants for all diseases? Stem cell implants are also expensive.                 Is there a diabetes medical machine (meds, syringes, test equip, lancets, pumps, insulin, orals) that would be too huge a business to shut down if diabetics were "CURED".  I’m not saying there is, but I do wonder sometimes.

Stem cell implants would only work for type 1, anyhow, IF they worked.  The amount of testing for any treatment is considerable. — This address is for information only.  I do not claim that these views are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University. Herman Rubin, Deptartment of Statistics, Purdue University

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Ok, so I am a little cynical.  How do we get a med like Rezulin on the market that almost kills everyone who takes it and after all these years we can’t approve stem cell implants?  Is there a diabetes medical machine (meds, syringes, test equip, lancets, pumps, insulin, orals) that would be too huge a business to shut down if diabetics were "CURED".  I’m not saying there is, but I do wonder sometimes.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, I’m just wondering, has there ever been a case, anywhere, of somebody being cured of type 1 (or 2) diabetes ? There have been some successful pancreas transplants for Type 1. Some Type 2’s who changed their lifestyle have shown no further diabetes symptoms, and some Type 1 cases caused by hemochromatosis (excess iron in the blood) are successfully treated by blood-letting, which also treats a  bunch of other problems for them. I mean, through herbal remedy, or self healing or something weird or anything? If there were, we’d hear a lot more about it. Given the lack of proof or lab tests for the "I’m cured, I’m cured, hallelujah rubbing the kneecap of the magic buddha cured me! $29.95 at this website!" sorts of claims, I really don’t think it works.

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19:18:02 Sat, 26 Jul 2003misc.health.diabetes : I’m just wondering, has there ever been a case, anywhere, of somebody : being cured of type 1 (or 2) diabetes ? If I remember there was some work done with anti rejection drugs over 20 years ago.  They were reporting positive results but nothing further since. (So Common today)

There’s an intersting new transplant drug regime called the "Edmonton protocol" that seems to use far, far lower levels of the immuno=suppresants with good results. The old levels of immuno-suppressants and potential problems seemed to cause complications worse than most cases of Type 1 diabetes, and there simply aren’t enough beta cells in the organ donor pools to supply all Type 1 diabetics, so it hasn’t had much success so far. I have mixed emotions about these premature releases. They give false hopes so often.  When my neuropathy  was acute, I saw press release after press release but to this day none have showed up as a viable drug. In my bitter moments I suspect most are ploys to secure grant money.  But we do throw money with the hope that there will be a hit sometime.

It helps get funding for the research. Plus if you don’t publish your preliminary results, you can’g get NIS funding or university funding or venture capital. They want the peer-reviewed articles to help establish that your data are believable and your product legitimate. After the recent stock frauds of the Diasensor and the Futrex non-invasive glucometers that never worked and clearly relied on false or wildly optimistic interpretations of their data, I think we’ve been reminded to see the data. Cure is used by spammers so often and in money drives. But nothing has changed much in  my 28 years of looking.  The "control thing" is the best item I have noted.  In my case it works.  But no cure and I will be surprised if there is one.                                              Guy

I’m keeping my fingers crossed on the Sugartrak (www.sugartrak.com, non-invasive glucometer) and on the W. Virginia immunoresponse work for us Type 1’s.

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19:18:02 Sat, 26 Jul 2003misc.health.diabetes : I’m just wondering, has there ever been a case, anywhere, of somebody : being cured of type 1 (or 2) diabetes ?

If I remember there was some work done with anti rejection drugs over 20 years ago.  They were reporting positive results but nothing further since. (So Common today) It was a study to try to define some basic items related to our understanding of diabetes. I have mixed emotions about these premature releases. They give false hopes so often.  When my neuropathy  was acute, I saw press release after press release but to this day none have showed up as a viable drug. In my bitter moments I suspect most are ploys to secure grant money.  But we do throw money with the hope that there will be a hit sometime. Cure is used by spammers so often and in money drives. But nothing has changed much in  my 28 years of looking.  The "control thing" is the best item I have noted.  In my case it works.  But no cure and I will be surprised if there is one.                                              Guy

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19:18:02 Sat, 26 Jul 2003misc.health.diabetes : I’m just wondering, has there ever been a case, anywhere, of somebody : being cured of type 1 (or 2) diabetes ? :

Possibilites are pancreas transplants, or stem-cell implants, but the latter is in the very early stages of research AFAIK. — London, UK              Home Page:      http://www.tucana.demon.co.uk                          Web Shop:      http://buy.at/tucana           Mobile Phone Ring Tones:      http://www.ringamoby.com "Everything I do and say with anyone makes a difference." Gita Bellin

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Only two cures: 1. Pancreas transplant. 2. Islet cell transplant (experimenting now in Canada).

Alan, You forgot the 3rd – The big dirt nap. — Bob Gootee, back into my hole When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : : : : Hi All, : : I’m just wondering, has there ever been a case, anywhere, of somebody : being cured of type 1 (or 2) diabetes ? : : I mean, through herbal remedy, or self healing or something weird or : anything? : : There is no cure.  Don’t believe anyone who tells you there is.  But if you : look hard enough, you’ll find someone who will tell you this. : : : — : Type 2 : http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/ : DAMN! really? the little blue men yesterday told me that if I found pixey dust it would cure me.. I was working on a weekend field trip.. Just break my heart why don’t ya.. LOL RK :

No no no, that was "Magical Pixie Server Dust" when your server crashes you sprinkle it on the server and the problem is solved. Mack Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org  In tribute to the United States of America and the State  of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and  terrorism.

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Hi All, I’m just wondering, has there ever been a case, anywhere, of somebody being cured of type 1 (or 2) diabetes ?

There have been some successful pancreas transplants for Type 1. Some Type 2’s who changed their lifestyle have shown no further diabetes symptoms, and some Type 1 cases caused by hemochromatosis (excess iron in the blood) are successfully treated by blood-letting, which also treats a  bunch of other problems for them. I mean, through herbal remedy, or self healing or something weird or anything?

If there were, we’d hear a lot more about it. Given the lack of proof or lab tests for the "I’m cured, I’m cured, hallelujah rubbing the kneecap of the magic buddha cured me! $29.95 at this website!" sorts of claims, I really don’t think it works.

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Hi All, I’m just wondering, has there ever been a case, anywhere, of somebody being cured of type 1 (or 2) diabetes ? I mean, through herbal remedy, or self healing or something weird or anything? thanks Cameron

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I’m just wondering, has there ever been a case, anywhere, of somebody being cured of type 1 (or 2) diabetes ?

No. Well, I guess death would cure it, but it’s not a very useful cure as far as I can tell. — Today, on Paper-view: Pulp Fiction!

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Hi All, I’m just wondering, has there ever been a case, anywhere, of somebody being cured of type 1 (or 2) diabetes ? I mean, through herbal remedy, or self healing or something weird or anything? thanks Cameron

AFAIK the only way is to get a kidney/panceras transplant. When a person with diabetes needs a new kidney they usualy do the panceras too. regards, Steinar

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Hi All, I’m just wondering, has there ever been a case, anywhere, of somebody being cured of type 1 (or 2) diabetes ? I mean, through herbal remedy, or self healing or something weird or anything?

There is no cure.  Don’t believe anyone who tells you there is.  But if you look hard enough, you’ll find someone who will tell you this. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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: Hi All, : : I’m just wondering, has there ever been a case, anywhere, of somebody : being cured of type 1 (or 2) diabetes ? : : I mean, through herbal remedy, or self healing or something weird or : anything? : : There is no cure.  Don’t believe anyone who tells you there is.  But if you : look hard enough, you’ll find someone who will tell you this. : : : — : Type 2 : http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/ : DAMN! really? the little blue men yesterday told me that if I found pixey dust it would cure me.. I was working on a weekend field trip.. Just break my heart why don’t ya.. LOL RK :

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Only two cures: 1. Pancreas transplant. 2. Islet cell transplant (experimenting now in Canada).

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Cameron, I went to an acupuncture lady for allergies a couple of years ago.  (It really helped for about 6 mos., by the way!)  She told me she could cure my diabetes (T1) with acupuncture methods.  I mentioned this to my endo, and he giggled hysterically!  I went back to her, to have her give it a try. (I must have been having a gullible day-I don’t know why.)  She stuck some needles in me which was fine, but then she stuck one in my bellybutton!!!! I about came off the table.  (I’m weird about my bellybutton!)  I took it out, and have never been back!  (I’m also back on Allegra for allergies, too.) The only cures for T1 are pancreas transplant and islet cell transpant.  (At least I believe that they have had success with the islet cell transplants.) From experience, be wary of "natural" cures.  They are not valid.  (plus, they stick needles in the bellybutton!) Hope this helps. Steph

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Hi All, I’m just wondering, has there ever been a case, anywhere, of somebody being cured of type 1 (or 2) diabetes ? I mean, through herbal remedy, or self healing or something weird or anything?

The pancreas transplant is worse than the disease.  The quality of life is terrible due to the necessary suppression of the immune system. Also, a person’s life span under such medication is greatly curtailed, and is generally only in the single digits. They have been working on transplanting islet cells.  Dr. Denise Faustman and her research group had been stalled for years in making their cells unrecognizable by the immune system.  The problem was that on rare occasions, the human body could recognize the new cells and start rejecting them. The best way to get rid of Type 1 is to have been found not to have Type 1 diabetes in the first place.  Then you just throw everything away, except for your blood glucometer for monitoring purposes.  Over my 38 years of diabetes (I), I have known several people to whom this has happened. As for Type 2, however, it does happen at times that when the patient loses their excess weight, the diabetes will disappear.  And it stays away for as long as the weight is maintained under control.  But they are in the minority. Michel – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – thanks Cameron

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