Diabetes Talking

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July 30 2002 – 172lbs June 03 2003 – 155lbs June 21 2003 – 150lbs DMax

dmax, whatever you have found, its working for you! learning to CUSTOMIZE our WOE is "the trick" i believe to finding a eating plan that can be lifelong!

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ATKINS is NOT the only way to eat LOW CARB. there are many plans that will include  fruit!

Neanderthin  is one of  them.  :-) Ms. J (Hamilton, Ontario)

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Ok, I have been on induction almost 2 weeks. Then I decided that this would not work for me any longer as I need fruits in my system since I do not, and will never, have a habit of eating enough veggies.

Whatever works for  you.  You’ll probably want to switch to alt.support.diet though, which is support for all types of diets.  People here will mostly be able to give advice just for the low-carb way of eating. Last time I checked in at alt.support.diet though, there weren’t many people there.  Everybody’s found that low carb works best and they’re all here now … Peter http://users.thelink.net/marengo

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ATKINS is NOT the only way to eat LOW CARB. there are many plans that will include  fruit! — read and post daily, it works! rosie If you keep saying things are going to be bad, you have a good chance of being a prophet. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok, I have been on induction almost 2 weeks. Then I decided that this would not work for me any longer as I need fruits in my system since I do not, and will never, have a habit of eating enough veggies. They stink real bad, with lemon juice and oil or not. No pasta, bread, rice, etc is perfectly okay but I need my cherries, berries, oranges. So this morning I officially got off Atkins. I prepared 2 small Kellogg’s waffles, one topped with pure peanut butter, the other with honey. Halfway through that, I felt horrifyingly dizzy. Must be the sugar/carbo rush? Geesh. Now I am automatically inclined to get off carbo, whether for the sake of Atkin’s or not. I haven’t felt this sick in a while. Any comments or experiences? Am I in danger of putting back on again? DMax

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It sounds like your body is used to lower carbs, and is rebelling.  There are lots of reduced-carb plans out there.  Atkins isn’t the only one.  I know that Suzanne Somers’ plan allows fruits.  Might be worth checking some of the less strict reduced-carb plans. Carol – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Ok, I have been on induction almost 2 weeks. Then I decided that this would not work for me any longer as I need fruits in my system since I do not, and will never, have a habit of eating enough veggies. They stink real bad, with lemon juice and oil or not. No pasta, bread, rice, etc is perfectly okay but I need my cherries, berries, oranges. So this morning I officially got off Atkins. I prepared 2 small Kellogg’s waffles, one topped with pure peanut butter, the other with honey. Halfway through that, I felt horrifyingly dizzy. Must be the sugar/carbo rush? Geesh. Now I am automatically inclined to get off carbo, whether for the sake of Atkin’s or not. I haven’t felt this sick in a while. Any comments or experiences? Am I in danger of putting back on again? DMax

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok, I have been on induction almost 2 weeks. Then I decided that this would not work for me any longer as I need fruits in my system since I do not, and will never, have a habit of eating enough veggies. They stink real bad, with lemon juice and oil or not. No pasta, bread, rice, etc is perfectly okay but I need my cherries, berries, oranges. So this morning I officially got off Atkins. I prepared 2 small Kellogg’s waffles, one topped with pure peanut butter, the other with honey. Halfway through that, I felt horrifyingly dizzy. Must be the sugar/carbo rush? Geesh. Now I am automatically inclined to get off carbo, whether for the sake of Atkin’s or not. I haven’t felt this sick in a while. Any comments or experiences? Am I in danger of putting back on again?

My daughter is on the Zone diet, too much fruit for me though as a diabetic.  Or you could add a few more carbs without going totally overboard, still watch the calories.  I found Atkins just a bit strict for me – even though I lost 12 kgs in the first month –  but have to watch the carbs because of the diabetes – I do around 7 gr carb for breakfast (when diabetics are most carb sensitive), about 15 gr max for the other main meals and some snacks have less than 10 gr carb or sometimes zero carb.

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Hi Bridget, Thanks for the advice. I actually would have had fruits if only I had any at home! So I thought I would finish up the last frozen waffles for breakfast, then ride out to the market to get some fresh fruit and tomatoes. Unfortunately, with the dizzy spell – my first time ever – I decided not to be on the road. I am actually quite happy that I am not craving for carbs like I used to. Occasionally I do feel like having a slice of pizza or some chinese noodles, but the temptation doesn’t consume my thoughts. I think I have started putting back on! Whatever it is, prior to Atkins, I had lost about 15 lbs in 10 months from exercise and eating right. Through Atkins I lost a further 7 lbs in 2 weeks. Even then, I think I am reverting to my exercises, and eating right (fruits, sugar free) as a sustainable health program. With maybe a little difference: much less carbs except from fruits. July 30 2002 – 172lbs June 03 2003 – 155lbs June 21 2003 – 150lbs DMax

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok, I have been on induction almost 2 weeks. Then I decided that this would not work for me any longer as I need fruits in my system since I do not, and will never, have a habit of eating enough veggies. So this morning I officially got off Atkins. I prepared 2 small Kellogg’s waffles, one topped with pure peanut butter, the other with honey. Two things. You wanted fruit, and ate honey and waffles. So that leads me to think maybe you just wanted carbs, and your body was tricking you into thinking it was fruit you couldn’t wait a few months for. Halfway through that, I felt horrifyingly dizzy. Must be the sugar/carbo rush? Yes, this happened to me the first time I ate sugar after low carbing. Scary. Then I fell asleep for a couple days. The doctor said I was didn’t need to worry about it. He said this was a symptom of my diabetes, and that we would monitor my progress, which we are doing. Low Carb has helped me control my diabetes very well without medication. This is not to say you have diabetes, by the way. It’s probably worth mentioning the incident to your doctor the next time you go. Am I in danger of putting back on again? Yes. Almost all the weight you initially lost is bound to come back if you go back to what you were doing before. Have you read the Schwarzbein Principle? That diet allows some fruit and other choices that you might find more suited to your lifestyle and preferences. Do remember that on Atkins, you’ll be adding back fruit during OWL. In fact, berries are some of the first fruits to add in. Induction does not have to last longer than two weeks. You could be adding fruit to your plan before you even reach your goal weight. You don’t have to go off plan to have fruit on Atkins. (snipped mid-sentence) I do not, and will never, have a habit of eating enough veggies. Define enough. How many vegetables are enough for you to feel well and be happy. I don’t see any reason you are required have any at all. Works for some groups of people. If vegetarians can do without meat, I don’t see why anyone else couldn’t do without vegetables. What’s the difference? Especially in this day and age of vitamin pills. My husband is fond of saying he prefers his vegetables processed through a cow, as meat. .. Bridget M. Atkins maintenance for life.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok, I have been on induction almost 2 weeks. Then I decided that this would not work for me any longer as I need fruits in my system since I do not, and will never, have a habit of eating enough veggies. They stink real bad, with lemon juice and oil or not. No pasta, bread, rice, etc is perfectly okay but I need my cherries, berries, oranges. So this morning I officially got off Atkins. I prepared 2 small Kellogg’s waffles, one topped with pure peanut butter, the other with honey. Halfway through that, I felt horrifyingly dizzy. Must be the sugar/carbo rush? Geesh. Now I am automatically inclined to get off carbo, whether for the sake of Atkin’s or not. I haven’t felt this sick in a while. Any comments or experiences? Am I in danger of putting back on again? DMax

How is eating the fruit you feel you need the same as eating waffles with honey? Sounds like your fruit "requirement" is a rationalization for eating waffles. BTW, there are several LC plans that allow for fruit and higher carb levels, but what you really need is to be honest. That’s where it starts. — Wayne Crannell Atkins+ 10/27/01 250/140

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Sounds like you had a big old insulin rush… Sucks doesn’t it? Eat your fruit. Just count your carbs and try to keep the number around 100. Maybe you should try Michel Montingac or the others jodie suggested. You may be looking for a low glycemic diet not nec. a low carb, especially considering that insulin spike you got. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok, I have been on induction almost 2 weeks. Then I decided that this would not work for me any longer as I need fruits in my system since I do not, and will never, have a habit of eating enough veggies. They stink real bad, with lemon juice and oil or not. No pasta, bread, rice, etc is perfectly okay but I need my cherries, berries, oranges. So this morning I officially got off Atkins. I prepared 2 small Kellogg’s waffles, one topped with pure peanut butter, the other with honey. Halfway through that, I felt horrifyingly dizzy. Must be the sugar/carbo rush? Geesh. Now I am automatically inclined to get off carbo, whether for the sake of Atkin’s or not. I haven’t felt this sick in a while. Any comments or experiences? Am I in danger of putting back on again? DMax

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Ok, I have been on induction almost 2 weeks. Then I decided that this would not work for me any longer as I need fruits in my system since I do not, and will never, have a habit of eating enough veggies. So this morning I officially got off Atkins. I prepared 2 small Kellogg’s waffles, one topped with pure peanut butter, the other with honey.

Two things. You wanted fruit, and ate honey and waffles. So that leads me to think maybe you just wanted carbs, and your body was tricking you into thinking it was fruit you couldn’t wait a few months for. Halfway through that, I felt horrifyingly dizzy. Must be the sugar/carbo rush?

Yes, this happened to me the first time I ate sugar after low carbing. Scary. Then I fell asleep for a couple days. The doctor said I was didn’t need to worry about it. He said this was a symptom of my diabetes, and that we would monitor my progress, which we are doing. Low Carb has helped me control my diabetes very well without medication. This is not to say you have diabetes, by the way. It’s probably worth mentioning the incident to your doctor the next time you go. Am I in danger of putting back on again?

Yes. Almost all the weight you initially lost is bound to come back if you go back to what you were doing before. Have you read the Schwarzbein Principle? That diet allows some fruit and other choices that you might find more suited to your lifestyle and preferences. Do remember that on Atkins, you’ll be adding back fruit during OWL. In fact, berries are some of the first fruits to add in. Induction does not have to last longer than two weeks. You could be adding fruit to your plan before you even reach your goal weight. You don’t have to go off plan to have fruit on Atkins. (snipped mid-sentence) I do not, and will never, have a habit of eating enough veggies.

Define enough. How many vegetables are enough for you to feel well and be happy. I don’t see any reason you are required have any at all. Works for some groups of people. If vegetarians can do without meat, I don’t see why anyone else couldn’t do without vegetables. What’s the difference? Especially in this day and age of vitamin pills. My husband is fond of saying he prefers his vegetables processed through a cow, as meat. .. Bridget M. Atkins maintenance for life.

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Ok, I have been on induction almost 2 weeks. Then I decided that this would not work for me any longer as I need fruits in my system since I do not, and will never, have a habit of eating enough veggies. They stink real bad, with lemon juice and oil or not. No pasta, bread, rice, etc is perfectly okay but I need my cherries, berries, oranges. So this morning I officially got off Atkins. I prepared 2 small Kellogg’s waffles, one topped with pure peanut butter, the other with honey. Halfway through that, I felt horrifyingly dizzy. Must be the sugar/carbo rush? Geesh. Now I am automatically inclined to get off carbo, whether for the sake of Atkin’s or not. I haven’t felt this sick in a while. Any comments or experiences? Am I in danger of putting back on again? DMax

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Why don’t you look into Sugarbusters or the Go-Diet or Somersizing or something like that.  Just because you are doing low carb doesn’t mean you can’t have fruits.  There are plans much more liberal then Atkins that are still low carb and you can still lose weight on nicely. Jodee

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