Dave Groves in hospital

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Question:

Damn, here I was hoping for some wothwhile diabetic information and I read this! What is your bg? What is your diet? How are you managing your diabetes?

He’s not diabetic Henry. Part of being diabetic is having at least half a brain:) Beav

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I thought you’d buggered off Ted, and this place wan’t the same without your anti-spam blasts (you’ve gotta love em, I know I do:-) Hope you’ve been keeping well, as well as keeping your head down. Beav

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Damn, here I was hoping for some wothwhile diabetic information and I read this! What is your bg? What is your diet? How are you managing your diabetes? Henry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have had a very busy time. Who cares? FIRST someone (I am pretty sure I know who) managed to sabotage the email address which I was using for news. AND sign me up for thousands of spammers. Oh NO! I switched all of my traffic to another address, and eventually got the email host to pull my mail file and manually remove the file which was choking it. so I got my missing mail, and unblocked the address. I also set up better and tougher spam controls. yay Then there was a lot of busy time, with some paying clients wanting rush jobs, a child visiting from the other side of the world, getting her, and getting her back. Grandchildren visiting from other far corners, and a child running for political office. SO, I limited my internet till the other day. Who cares? You’re a liar and an asshole.

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I have had a very busy time.

Who cares? FIRST someone (I am pretty sure I know who) managed to sabotage the email address which I was using for news. AND sign me up for thousands of spammers.

Oh NO! I switched all of my traffic to another address, and eventually got the email host to pull my mail file and manually remove the file which was choking it. so I got my missing mail, and unblocked the address. I also set up better and tougher spam controls.

yay Then there was a lot of busy time, with some paying clients wanting rush jobs, a child visiting from the other side of the world, getting her, and getting her back. Grandchildren visiting from other far corners, and a child running for political office. SO, I limited my internet till the other day.

Who cares? You’re a liar and an asshole.

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Cool. I hope you managed to find the weasel who did this? Sounds like a ticked off spammer. Then there was a lot of busy time, with some paying clients wanting rush jobs, a child visiting from the other side of the world, getting her, and getting her back. Grandchildren visiting from other far corners, and a child running for political office. SO, I limited my internet till the other day.

Cool. The kids running for governor of California? (Which doesn’t narrow down the possibilities, I admit)…..

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Welcome back! No doubt you were hit by the same person who hit several others of us. Locked up my e-mail for over 24 hours. My ISP went after him. Strange though. Now I have been forced to set up a spam filter and all of a sudden I am getting a ton of spam! It doesn’t make it to my mailbox, but I have to weed through the filter to send the "good" mail to my mailbox. What a pain! Prior to this little incident, I got very little spam. Maybe 2 a month, if that. Ratty has done a fine job of chasing away spam and others of us have helped too. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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Thanks to all. I have had a very busy time FIRST someone (I am pretty sure I know who) managed to sabotage the email address which I was using for news. AND sign me up for thousands of spammers. I switched all of my traffic to another address, and eventually got the email host to pull my mail file and manually remove the file which was choking it. so I got my missing mail, and unblocked the address. I also set up better and tougher spam controls. Then there was a lot of busy time, with some paying clients wanting rush jobs, a child visiting from the other side of the world, getting her, and getting her back. Grandchildren visiting from other far corners, and a child running for political office. SO, I limited my internet till the other day. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ronnie Ruff said this… Welcome back Ted.. Kindly add my name to the role of spammer-chasers glad to see Ted back too Ratty Hmm. I’m not *thrilled*, but the role of rude and ranting spammer chaser is one I’d rather let him take most of the heat fore while hunting more quietly. It helps me look more reasonable by contrast. Where were you, Ted? Did you have a good time?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yea, I can’t STAND Dave Groves – yet I am sorry he is in the hospital, and hope he comes through it OK. He is overly passionate in an attempt to help us all – a bit misguided, but he is TRYING to help, and trying hard. Dave managed the CompuServe Diabetes forum… CompuServe canceled Dave’s diabetes forum because of his nasty posting. Then, he went to Bravenet, where that forum was also deleted because of negative comments from Dave to anyone who disagreed with him. Here’s the proof: http://pub2.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=112000736 Seems he feels that Lilly and Advantes are out to kill diabetics(!?), and only he can save everyone. Such delusions of grandeur are indeed laughable.

Hi Ted, nice to see you back! Vicki

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Hi Ted It is real good to see you posting again, and I do not know Dave Groves but I certainly wish him well. Al.

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Ronnie Ruff said this… Welcome back Ted.. Kindly add my name to the role of spammer-chasers glad to see Ted back too Ratty

Hmm. I’m not *thrilled*, but the role of rude and ranting spammer chaser is one I’d rather let him take most of the heat fore while hunting more quietly. It helps me look more reasonable by contrast. Where were you, Ted? Did you have a good time?

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Ronnie Ruff said this… Welcome back Ted..

Kindly add my name to the role of spammer-chasers glad to see Ted back too Ratty — www.flyingrat.net

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Yeah I second that ! ! Di

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Welcome back Ted.. — Ronnie Ruff http://www.livejournal.com/users/ronnie_in_dc

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Yea, I can’t STAND Dave Groves – yet I am sorry he is in the hospital, and hope he comes through it OK. He is overly passionate in an attempt to help us all – a bit misguided, but he is TRYING to help, and trying hard. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dave managed the CompuServe Diabetes forum… CompuServe canceled Dave’s diabetes forum because of his nasty posting. Then, he went to Bravenet, where that forum was also deleted because of negative comments from Dave to anyone who disagreed with him. Here’s the proof: http://pub2.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=112000736 Seems he feels that Lilly and Advantes are out to kill diabetics(!?), and only he can save everyone. Such delusions of grandeur are indeed laughable.

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<snip : Dave is a very convincing person and appears very believable as well. : It makes some folks wonder if what they have done after following his : advice, is going to lead them down the path Dave is currently having : to travel. I do hope all goes well for Dave, and that he comes out : of this stronger and better health wise. How old is this man?

Hi Thelma, Dave is about 60 years old. He was dx’d T1 at 9 yo. He’s had a painful ball-of-foot lesion for about 3 years now. I saw him in April, 2002, and he had limited mobility to only his livingroom at that time. But we did get out to a Chinese restaurant for dinner. So he has some getty-up-and-go left. But he didn’t eat much, as I recall, because his teeth were painful chewing the food. He weighs about 100 pounds. So ~51 years T1, — Jim Dumas T1 4/86, background retinopathy, rarely hypoglycemic: <1/mo. lispro+R+U+NPH daily, moderate exercise, typically <6% HbA1c

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dave managed the CompuServe Diabetes forum… CompuServe canceled Dave’s diabetes forum because of his nasty posting. Then, he went to Bravenet, where that forum was also deleted because of negative comments from Dave to anyone who disagreed with him. Here’s the proof: http://pub2.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=112000736 Seems he feels that Lilly and Advantes are out to kill diabetics(!?), and only he can save everyone. Such delusions of grandeur are indeed laughable. I never heard of Dave, nor you, but your idea of laughing at a sick man tells me that you should be careful, because such wishes often rebound on the head of those making them. Al.

I believe no one is actually laughing or wishing ill will on Dave. I think it is more out of frustration that many of the comments that may seem heartless are being made. Dave has helped many in one way or another and for that they are very grateful, however Dave has been telling people for a very long time that Dr’s are wrong or stupid, and has been advising people to do things no Dr would ever condone or advice. For those of us who have been diabetic for most of our lives, and have strived to maintain normal A1c’s and follow what our Dr’s say to avoid complications, to have someone blatantly state that are wrong, and to say he is doing great on his regime, causes great concern. The opinions expressed about Dave that seem harsh appear to be made out of frustration. People trusted Dave and most of his advice, and many did believe and follow a lot of what he told them even when there was some doubt. Dave is now in the hospital and suffering one of the many things diabetics face when poorly controlled or their lifestyle is not conducive to good diabetic control. This situation could be equated to a Dr who is a diabetic telling his diabetic patients it is ok to smoke excessively, drink, eat whatever they want, and live whatever lifestyle they want,to ignore current medical practices and current proven methods and just follow his example. I may not be wording this correctly, but I think those who have followed Dave in the past understand. No one is wishing bad on Dave, just the fact that he has been advising diabetics for years to ignore everything they have been taught, and to follow what he says. Dave is a very convincing person and appears very believable as well. It makes some folks wonder if what they have done after following his advice, is going to lead them down the path Dave is currently having to travel. I do hope all goes well for Dave, and that he comes out of this stronger and better health wise.

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Dave managed the CompuServe Diabetes forum… CompuServe canceled Dave’s diabetes forum because of his nasty posting. Then, he went to Bravenet, where that forum was also deleted because of negative comments from Dave to anyone who disagreed with him. Here’s the proof: http://pub2.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=112000736 Seems he feels that Lilly and Advantes are out to kill diabetics(!?), and only he can save everyone. Such delusions of grandeur are indeed laughable.

I never heard of Dave, nor you, but your idea of laughing at a sick man tells me that you should be careful, because such wishes often rebound on the head of those making them. Al.

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I don’t know the guy (Dave) but I was kinda flabbergasted by the reaction. If I heard that say… MU-whoever was hospitalized I think I would want to wish them a speedy recovery. You (or they) can’t take it back after ones dead.

I agree, there are some people we may dislike but a fellow human being is suffering, means nought that he may have brought his suffering on his own head by his lifestyle or that he may have pissed a lot of people off, he is still human and none of us are perfect, far from it. I don’t know Dave and I have seen over the years in the groups that he isn’t exactly well liked by a lot of folk but I hope he has a speedy recovery and a wake up call.

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Sorry, didn’t notice the cross-post. 8( — t2_lurking geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know the guy (Dave) but I was kinda flabbergasted by the reaction. If I heard that say… MU-whoever was hospitalized I think I would want to wish them a speedy recovery. You (or they) can’t take it back after ones dead. — t2_lurking geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete) Dave managed the CompuServe Diabetes forum… CompuServe canceled Dave’s diabetes forum because of his nasty posting. Then, he went to Bravenet, where that forum was also deleted because of negative comments from Dave to anyone who disagreed with him. Here’s the proof: http://pub2.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=112000736 Seems he feels that Lilly and Advantes are out to kill diabetics(!?), and only he can save everyone. Such delusions of grandeur are indeed laughable. Yeah Groves has his problems dealing with people, but that’s got fuck all to do with how WE react to the news that he’s not in good health. This is NOT the time to bring out big sticks. Beav

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dave managed the CompuServe Diabetes forum… CompuServe canceled Dave’s diabetes forum because of his nasty posting. Then, he went to Bravenet, where that forum was also deleted because of negative comments from Dave to anyone who disagreed with him. Here’s the proof: http://pub2.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=112000736 Seems he feels that Lilly and Advantes are out to kill diabetics(!?), and only he can save everyone. Such delusions of grandeur are indeed laughable. Yeah Groves has his problems dealing with people, but that’s got fuck all to do with how WE react to the news that he’s not in good health. This is NOT the time to bring out big sticks. Beav

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Yeah Groves has his problems dealing with people, but that’s got fuck all to do with how WE react to the news that he’s not in good health. This is NOT the time to bring out big sticks. Beav

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In the process of chasing down bovine insulin users, I discovered that Dave Groves had a heart attack and underwent a double bypass a week ago. He is still in intensive care.

i am sorry to hear this T1 dave g groves helped me in ‘98 and ‘99 (mainly in e-mails) with my decision to retry beef insulin dave is a hard head, but i owe him bill, T1 since ‘57, ex -8yr pumper, beef-L 1x, simple MDI/DAFNE

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Dave managed the CompuServe Diabetes forum…

CompuServe canceled Dave’s diabetes forum because of his nasty posting. Then, he went to Bravenet, where that forum was also deleted because of negative comments from Dave to anyone who disagreed with him. Here’s the proof: http://pub2.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=112000736 Seems he feels that Lilly and Advantes are out to kill diabetics(!?), and only he can save everyone. Such delusions of grandeur are indeed laughable.

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Dave managed the CompuServe Diabetes forum… CompuServe canceled Dave’s diabetes forum because of his nasty posting.

None of which has anything to do with my comments about his helpfulness. I do vaguely recall that there were problems with CompuServe, and I certainly remember Dave’s passionate and strongly worded opinions about types of insulin. If I recall properly, the diabetes forum on CompuServe was recreated under new management. Here’s the proof: http://pub2.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=112000736

Not sure what a "deleted account" page is supposed to "prove". Guy

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