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Kerry and the Gay Issue

admin — Fri, 15 Oct 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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Well just today it has become clear that there is a chromosome that causes gays. The research concentrating on why and how gay people still exist as it seems fairly clear under the normal scheme of things same sex people would reduce brcause of no offspring, and should by now have disappeared or be of a very small number? But the research indicates that the gene is connected with fecundity and families of gay people , apparently the straight members, have the same gene which is the cause of the increased fecundity. or that can analyse – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – environment in such a way as to reliably predict homosexual orientation. And so, on empirical grounds, what other answer can one give but that one is not sure? For me, that doesn’t justify discrimination in any sphere of human activity. Whether it’s a lifestyle choice or predicted by genes or any combination of free will or predisposition is surely irrelevant. In my view, what consenting adults choose to do sexually is simply no business of the state, and attempts to vary legal protections according to gender, or to mitigate a person’s claims or rights on the basis of sexual orientation are indefencible. If gay people want to get married, I say, let them do so. Ironically, gays may turn out to be one of the last bastions of marriage. Now I can understand why the notion that gays have no choice in the matter appeals to those who oppose discrimination. Plainly, if it’s like skin colour or ethnicity or genetic disability, then programs to "cure" it are doomed to failure and will inflict pain without good purpose. Fears about young people being turned gay by adult gays would be groundless. Discriminating against people in areas for which they aren’t accountable seems clearly wrong. On the other hand, it does make homosexuality seem a little like a disease. Perhaps, eventually, if one can isolate the gay gene, one can modify the sexuality of gays. If it’s environmental, perhaps people can sue those responsible for (unwittingly) turning them gay. Public policies against "those damn culottes" might have to be instituted. In the end, gays might come to be bracketed closely with disabled and HIV positive people — seen as victims who ought to prefer a cure. I rather suspect that nobody is purely heterosexual. After all, what is a homosexual anyway? It is someone who aims to engage in sexual contact with persons of their own gender. There is ample evidence that many men who are married with children also engage in a range of sexual practices with other men, while asserting that they are heterosexual. In prison, many men satisfy themselves in ways that they would publicly declaim on the outside. In the end, in my opinion, we aren’t oriented to genders, but to people and circumstances. It may well be that a given man or woman may never find him- or herself in a situation in which a same-sex experience seems indicated. That person may believe he or she is heterosxual and in practice, he or she will be so defined. But if they do find themselves in that situation and decide to go ahead, does that mean that, retrospectively, they were gay or bisexual? I think such definitions are pointless. Speaking for myself, I cannot imagine any set of circumstances in which I would find sex with another male appealing. But not being able to imagine such circumstances, and there being no such circumstances are not at all the same thing. Perhaps if people just stopped worrying about who people were oriented to and left people to try floating their boats down whatever river seemed inviting at the time there would be a lot less rubbish being talked. I know that’s not Bush’s position of course, but that doesn’t mean Kerry is right either. I think it speaks volumes about the US polity that even on this matter, neither side is willing to unconditionally endorse the full sexual rights of gay people, and those that wink at them have to find an entirely spurious basis for doing so. The Nerk

As far as I am aware the gays do not want amrriage so much as a recognition of their relationships in some legal manner. And although I agree that it is not a marriage because children will not occur. Their should be some sort of legal arrangement for the following reasons. It becomes clear that it is a requirement as we all know only relatives can visit in hospitals, and if a gay couple have an accident the partner might be stopped from even comforting their partner because of being unable to produce any legal attachment? And I can understand that some legal recogition of the relationship so that if one dies, the money and/or property wont go to an underserving aunt, brother or parent leaving the partner destitute?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – One interesting aspect of the last Kerry-Bush debate was his response on the gay issue. Now I happen to think, that in least in terms of the big picture issues, there is little to choose between Kerry and Bush. They think much the same thing about most everything. I don’t think there has yet been a debate in which Kerry has not used the phrase "the President and I agree on …" or words to that effect. In one of the debates he used variations of that phrase three times. But on the gay issue, there does seem to be a difference, and I’m wondering if Kerry’s view represents the liberal consensus in America. Kerry implied that Cheney’s daughter had no choice about being a lesbian, whereas Bush says he’s not sure whether it’s a choice or not. Curiously for me, I think I’d have given Bush’s answer, rather than Kerry’s. I don’t think it’s at all clear why some people are sexually oriented to people of their own gender. To the best of my knowledge there are no studies that clearly show a "gay chromosome" Well just today it has become clear that there is a chromosome that causes gays. The research concentrating on why and how gay people still exist as it seems fairly clear under the normal scheme of things same sex people would reduce brcause of no offspring, and should by now have disappeared or be of a very small number? But the research indicates that the gene is connected with fecundity and families of gay people , apparently the straight members, have the same gene which is the cause of the increased fecundity.

Pointers ? I somehow doubt this… and I support Gay marriage. I have seen conclusive work on Brain differences, but it remained a "chicken or egg" argument…. it may well be hormonal, which may even be environmentally related, we aren’t sure. Gay marriage reduces promiscuity, thus transmission of STD’s are inhibited… In addition, Marriage forces one to develop a deeper sense of relationship…. and work on things, rather than turn and run. Another good thing…. The problem with Gay marriage is the inheritance rights, and a couple other issue’s… most of which are about the children. Children are our future. Most of our laws surrounding marriage are there to facilitate the lives of our children. A Society can know no greater calling… And , it is a phony straw man to assume that a gay marriage would not produce a better role model for children.. it would. If the parent was gay, that isn’t going to change. It is better the child learns the value of fidelity, and sticking together through thick and thin, rather than a rotating "other half" on a daily basis. The child will emulate role model behavior, as far as promiscuity goes… but, choice of gender appears to be determined by something other than role. But, another concern regarding children is the passing of the money… As it stands today, Uncle "Ernie", passes on, and the estate passes back to the family, who in straw man theory, is reproducing… Thus, lack of marriage among gays, facilitates our children. Thus, I suspect, the position among the Kerry group. They support Unions being recognized, but they don’t want it to be a legal marriage. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – or that can analyse environment in such a way as to reliably predict homosexual orientation. And so, on empirical grounds, what other answer can one give but that one is not sure? For me, that doesn’t justify discrimination in any sphere of human activity. Whether it’s a lifestyle choice or predicted by genes or any combination of free will or predisposition is surely irrelevant. In my view, what consenting adults choose to do sexually is simply no business of the state, and attempts to vary legal protections according to gender, or to mitigate a person’s claims or rights on the basis of sexual orientation are indefencible. If gay people want to get married, I say, let them do so. Ironically, gays may turn out to be one of the last bastions of marriage. Now I can understand why the notion that gays have no choice in the matter appeals to those who oppose discrimination. Plainly, if it’s like skin colour or ethnicity or genetic disability, then programs to "cure" it are doomed to failure and will inflict pain without good purpose. Fears about young people being turned gay by adult gays would be groundless. Discriminating against people in areas for which they aren’t accountable seems clearly wrong. On the other hand, it does make homosexuality seem a little like a disease. Perhaps, eventually, if one can isolate the gay gene, one can modify the sexuality of gays. If it’s environmental, perhaps people can sue those responsible for (unwittingly) turning them gay. Public policies against "those damn culottes" might have to be instituted. In the end, gays might come to be bracketed closely with disabled and HIV positive people — seen as victims who ought to prefer a cure. I rather suspect that nobody is purely heterosexual. After all, what is a homosexual anyway? It is someone who aims to engage in sexual contact with persons of their own gender. There is ample evidence that many men who are married with children also engage in a range of sexual practices with other men, while asserting that they are heterosexual. In prison, many men satisfy themselves in ways that they would publicly declaim on the outside. In the end, in my opinion, we aren’t oriented to genders, but to people and circumstances. It may well be that a given man or woman may never find him- or herself in a situation in which a same-sex experience seems indicated. That person may believe he or she is heterosxual and in practice, he or she will be so defined. But if they do find themselves in that situation and decide to go ahead, does that mean that, retrospectively, they were gay or bisexual? I think such definitions are pointless. Speaking for myself, I cannot imagine any set of circumstances in which I would find sex with another male appealing. But not being able to imagine such circumstances, and there being no such circumstances are not at all the same thing. Perhaps if people just stopped worrying about who people were oriented to and left people to try floating their boats down whatever river seemed inviting at the time there would be a lot less rubbish being talked. I know that’s not Bush’s position of course, but that doesn’t mean Kerry is right either. I think it speaks volumes about the US polity that even on this matter, neither side is willing to unconditionally endorse the full sexual rights of gay people, and those that wink at them have to find an entirely spurious basis for doing so. The Nerk As far as I am aware the gays do not want amrriage so much as a recognition of their relationships in some legal manner. And although I agree that it is not a marriage because children will not occur. Their should be some sort of legal arrangement for the following reasons. It becomes clear that it is a requirement as we all know only relatives can visit in hospitals, and if a gay couple have an accident the partner might be stopped from even comforting their partner because of being unable to produce any legal attachment? And I can understand that some legal recogition of the relationship so that if one dies, the money and/or property wont go to an underserving aunt, brother or parent leaving the partner destitute?

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Well just today it has become clear that there is a chromosome that causes gays. Wow, "just today", eh? How exciting!

Would be for you, sounds like you have trouble knowing what day it is, nevermind what is going on. But I can back whatever I say with factual reports. Oh I might add just today is the first acquaitance I have had that there is even discussion about a gay gene. http://www.newscientist.com/news/print.jsp?id=ns99996519 Not being gay, or the near gay that cant get their minds of it, I dont give a stuff one way or the other. Just dont care how others satisfy their sexual cravings, just dont like to see persecution and condemnation for practices as long as they are not as perverted as the West family in England, or legal torture chambers in countries like Israel that like to claim similiarities with our western democracies. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – But the research indicates that the gene is connected with fecundity and families of gay people , apparently the straight members, have the same gene which is the cause of the increased fecundity. Wow! A gene that makes some people gay and makes others breed a lot, eh? Wow! this kind of "knowledge" sounds like it is right up there with the "bible code" and other great intellectual achievements of that sort. As far as I am aware the gays do not want amrriage so much as a recognition of their relationships in some legal manner. Then why do they insist they want "marriage"?

Poor fella, trying hard but way out of his depth. Wants to get back to the brainwashing, but entertaining , simpsons etc. The religious want to stop any kind of relationship so compare it with marriage. In Australia they have full recognition of their perverted partnerships, but they *still* want to play at husband and wife.

As I understand in Australia the partnership does not address the matters below. So I know it’s straining your attention span, but check it out. It becomes clear that it is a requirement as we all know only relatives can visit in hospitals, and if a gay couple have an accident the partner might be stopped from even comforting their partner because of being unable to produce any legal attachment? And I can understand that some legal recogition of the relationship so that if one dies, the money and/or property wont go to an underserving aunt, brother or parent leaving the partner destitute? You don’t need to turn "marriage" in a circus to do that.

You’re not to bright are you, yes marriage gives heterosexual partners all those things in one hit, so as I understand it partnerships and complex arrangements have to be made to ensure the same rights for gay couples. And I would lie to see that so that the matter is taken out of the political arena, where matters of class induced funding, illegal wars, HTA agreements, PBS can no longer be submerged by what gays are doing.

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And although I agree that it is not a marriage because children will not occur.

So in relationships between men & women where 1 of them has a problem so that they cannot birth children. They shouldnt’ be allowed to get married eithert?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well just today it has become clear that there is a chromosome that causes gays. Wow, "just today", eh? How exciting! But the research indicates that the gene is connected with fecundity and families of gay people , apparently the straight members, have the same gene which is the cause of the increased fecundity. Wow! A gene that makes some people gay and makes others breed a lot, eh? Wow! this kind of "knowledge" sounds like it is right up there with the "bible code" and other great intellectual achievements of that sort.

Yeah. I concur, as I have not read this, as of yet. As far as I am aware the gays do not want amrriage so much as a recognition of their relationships in some legal manner. Then why do they insist they want "marriage"? In Australia they have full recognition of their perverted partnerships, but they *still* want to play at husband and wife.

Well, two people love each other and want to make that statement before their version of God and man… and don’t like being told they can’t. And as far as perversion, that is in your opinion. But, I can’t blame you. Animals, like Cats, smell the genetics that are "different" in their babies, and if too different, -eat- them at birth… You are like those animals, a long time ago such hatred served a purpose for the race, I am sure. However, we are no longer animals. It becomes clear that it is a requirement as we all know only relatives can visit in hospitals, and if a gay couple have an accident the partner might be stopped from even comforting their partner because of being unable to produce any legal attachment? And I can understand that some legal recogition of the relationship so that if one dies, the money and/or property wont go to an underserving aunt, brother or parent leaving the partner destitute?

That, I suspect, is what they don’t want, as it often reverts back to the breeding portion of the family. You don’t need to turn "marriage" in a circus to do that.

It is only a circus because you are a homophobe.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – One interesting aspect of the last Kerry-Bush debate was his response on the gay issue. Now I happen to think, that in least in terms of the big picture issues, there is little to choose between Kerry and Bush. They think much the same thing about most everything. I don’t think there has yet been a debate in which Kerry has not used the phrase "the President and I agree on …" or words to that effect. In one of the debates he used variations of that phrase three times. But on the gay issue, there does seem to be a difference, and I’m wondering if Kerry’s view represents the liberal consensus in America. Kerry implied that Cheney’s daughter had no choice about being a lesbian, whereas Bush says he’s not sure whether it’s a choice or not. Curiously for me, I think I’d have given Bush’s answer, rather than Kerry’s. I don’t think it’s at all clear why some people are sexually oriented to people of their own gender. To the best of my knowledge there are no studies that clearly show a "gay chromosome" Well just today it has become clear that there is a chromosome that causes gays. The research concentrating on why and how gay people still exist as it seems fairly clear under the normal scheme of things same sex people would reduce brcause of no offspring, and should by now have disappeared or be of a very small number? But the research indicates that the gene is connected with fecundity and families of gay people , apparently the straight members, have the same gene which is the cause of the increased fecundity. Pointers ? I somehow doubt this… and I support Gay marriage.

I dont, despite the faults of gay couples and the kind of behavior and problems that can occur in a heterosexual marriage, the Wast family of England being one horror story one thinks of. I do not think that gay partners have a marriage.They have a partnership, a deep and caring partnership, but not the same as marriage? . – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have seen conclusive work on Brain differences, but it remained a "chicken or egg" argument…. it may well be hormonal, which may even be environmentally related, we aren’t sure. Gay marriage reduces promiscuity, thus transmission of STD’s are inhibited… In addition, Marriage forces one to develop a deeper sense of relationship…. and work on things, rather than turn and run. Another good thing…. The problem with Gay marriage is the inheritance rights, and a couple other issue’s… most of which are about the children. Children are our future. Most of our laws surrounding marriage are there to facilitate the lives of our children. A Society can know no greater calling… And , it is a phony straw man to assume that a gay marriage would not produce a better role model for children.. it would. If the parent was gay, that isn’t going to change. It is better the child learns the value of fidelity, and sticking together through thick and thin, rather than a rotating "other half" on a daily basis. The child will emulate role model behavior, as far as promiscuity goes… but, choice of gender appears to be determined by something other than role. But, another concern regarding children is the passing of the money… As it stands today, Uncle "Ernie", passes on, and the estate passes back to the family, who in straw man theory, is reproducing… Thus, lack of marriage among gays, facilitates our children. Thus, I suspect, the position among the Kerry group.

I feel you are drawing a very long straw there, I think the fears of homophiles is to do with the small difference between gay and heterosexual preferences. And the mere fear that they might be gay is what raiese their hackles, and well they might be closet, not even able to amit to themselves that they have gay inclinations? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – or that can analyse environment in such a way as to reliably predict homosexual orientation. And so, on empirical grounds, what other answer can one give but that one is not sure? For me, that doesn’t justify discrimination in any sphere of human activity. Whether it’s a lifestyle choice or predicted by genes or any combination of free will or predisposition is surely irrelevant. In my view, what consenting adults choose to do sexually is simply no business of the state, and attempts to vary legal protections according to gender, or to mitigate a person’s claims or rights on the basis of sexual orientation are indefencible. If gay people want to get married, I say, let them do so. Ironically, gays may turn out to be one of the last bastions of marriage. Now I can understand why the notion that gays have no choice in the matter appeals to those who oppose discrimination. Plainly, if it’s like skin colour or ethnicity or genetic disability, then programs to "cure" it are doomed to failure and will inflict pain without good purpose. Fears about young people being turned gay by adult gays would be groundless. Discriminating against people in areas for which they aren’t accountable seems clearly wrong. On the other hand, it does make homosexuality seem a little like a disease. Perhaps, eventually, if one can isolate the gay gene, one can modify the sexuality of gays.

You are letting the common discriminatory stance, probably connected to survival show. I think all these aflictions are mere survival traits? Diabetes for instance obviously a survival trait that shows up under certain condiions. And is advantageous under certain conditions? Unwanted and perhaps even detested under our normal conditions, but the implanted by nature/God the incredible variety of genetic branches to ensure survival of the species under the most varied conditions. If it’s environmental, perhaps people – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – can sue those responsible for (unwittingly) turning them gay. Public policies against "those damn culottes" might have to be instituted. In the end, gays might come to be bracketed closely with disabled and HIV positive people — seen as victims who ought to prefer a cure. I rather suspect that nobody is purely heterosexual. After all, what is a homosexual anyway? It is someone who aims to engage in sexual contact with persons of their own gender. There is ample evidence that many men who are married with children also engage in a range of sexual practices with other men, while asserting that they are heterosexual. In prison, many men satisfy themselves in ways that they would publicly declaim on the outside. In the end, in my opinion, we aren’t oriented to genders, but to people and circumstances. It may well be that a given man or woman may never find him- or herself in a situation in which a same-sex experience seems indicated. That person may believe he or she is heterosxual and in practice, he or she will be so defined. But if they do find themselves in that situation and decide to go ahead, does that mean that, retrospectively, they were gay or bisexual? I think such definitions are pointless. Speaking for myself, I cannot imagine any set of circumstances in which I would find sex with another male appealing. But not being able to imagine such circumstances, and there being no such circumstances are not at all the same thing. Perhaps if people just stopped worrying about who people were oriented to and left people to try floating their boats down whatever river seemed inviting at the time there would be a lot less rubbish being talked. I know that’s not Bush’s position of course,

Of course you are fobbimg of here , Bushs position is quite clearly to pick up the christian vote, those lovely people who dont care who runs the world and how, as long as there is no abortion and no gay marriage. So you can back the Jewish protocols, instigate a Jewish inquisition in america and ensure a base in Israel, as long as you promise that back in hicksville where ever there will be no abortion and no gay marriage. You can kill 40000 people in Iraq, regular deaths of Americans in Iraq, Israel can run with it’s Nazi policies of genocide and torture to achieve it’s nefarious aims as long as there is no abortion and no gay marriage. They are so obssesed with pregnant young girls and what gays are up to that I will point out that was part of Hitlers popularity? So it is a fatal flaw in policy that tjis becomes an issue on deciding matters of far more concern to the voters like income, health, control of their own country so that they can expect and receive a fair share of the national cake. And properly evaluate governments that are not working for the best interest of all Americans? but that doesn’t mean Kerry is right either. I think it speaks volumes about the US polity that even on this matter, neither side is willing to unconditionally endorse the full sexual rights of gay people, and those that wink at them have to find an entirely spurious basis for doing so.

And even more so in the case of Bush who blatantly and unashamedly is playing this card so that indeed Kerry has to saddle himself not only wth a badly organised and entered into war, a rift wih our usual partners and the UN, but a divisive policy of pandering the religious right as well. Which does not give him much more room than Bush, so in comparison it boils down on everything else being equal, who reveres the traditional values of the US enough to protect them while dealing with a Bush self … read more »

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I’ve asked that myself. I’m personally aware of one couple who simply cannot procreate. His problem, her problem? I don’t know. But as long as they’re together, they will never have children. They’ve been married for over 20 years. Is this marriage not valid?

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Probably not? I mean in reading back the oldies used to say if you married for children you were a peasant type, so sophiscated city slicker if you married without the intention of children? The difference is if a country who did not manufacture cars claimed to want to join countries who did produce cars by manufacture as the same they would be told, you are not the same, you buy a lot of cars, you repair a lot of cars, but you do not manufacture cars. So although you might be accepted in all ways by these other countries, there is one respect where you are not the same, you do not manufacture cars? In heterosexual marriage the problem is the same? Although you have the means to manufacture or produce a baby, you do not, and if you buy one it is still not fully manufactured by the couple as with the heterosexual couple? So to say that buying a full or half baby belittles the act of motherhood? A young couple struggles to achieve a position in life to have a baby, go through all th terrore and tribulations of miscarriage, troublesome births, and financial hardship to produce, and you want to say that a couple who could choose when and where they have the baby, in eddect buy a model without any of the trauma or effort that a heterosexual couple has to go through? Not to menton reaching stages where they wonder if it’s safe to hang his trousers on theend of the bed in case she should have an unwanted pregnancy? And also all the complications to health that a women can have with childbirth. Yes I do not think it is the same in a lot of ways.

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And although I agree that it is not a marriage because children will not occur. So in relationships between men & women where 1 of them has a problem so that they cannot birth children. They shouldnt’ be allowed to get married eithert? I’ve asked that myself. I’m personally aware of one couple who simply cannot procreate. His problem, her problem? I don’t know. But as long as they’re together, they will never have children. They’ve been married for over 20 years. Is this marriage not valid?

my check up cock up…

admin — Fri, 08 Oct 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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Had my six monthly check with the d/nurse two days after seeing the doc about my feet. my HbA1c is down a point to 6.2 Blood glucose 88 ( is this good i dont know?) Blood pressure 130 /70 (and this ?) previously 180/25 i think BMI 29.5 (etc) Turns out the locum that took my fasting bloods forgot to do the cholestrel one so no result for trigs chol etc. I was given a Diabetic record card this time so i can track my stats she said she could not understand why i hadn’t had one before ( i have only been DXed for the last three years.) Dohh As mentioned in a previous post i have MRSA (three years now) Well i have been offered a chance to discuss using a regime to eradicate it using methods that involve strict hygiene in the home i.e washing bed linen daily etc and using betnovate body rubs i have an appointment next week for this It has apparently been bought in, in an effort to get people MRSA free before they go into hospital for operations. As currently there are too many people turning for ops who already have MRSA ( free gift last time they were hospitalised no doubt.) Which brings me on to my dreaded Foot Fungi As mentioned by Tiger Lily, to name but one , it seems that the spraying of shoes and disinfection of socks is high on the agenda to effect a cure on this . I asked the nurse about this she said she had never heard of anyone having to disinfect socks and spray shoes etc etc,,,, then ensues a three day battle to obtain the opinion of a diabetic chiropodist about the laundry side of things the upshot of all this is that no one can seem to get hold of one of these rare and elusive creatures so i have now been given her phone number in the hope that i can succeed where co workers in the health proffession have not. No cholestrol test No diabetic chiropidist opinion No record card issued for three years or more I love efficiency … dont you. — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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so sad to hear really when do you get the chol tests run? kate — Join us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet /server irc.undernet.org — /join #Diabetic-Talk More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Had my six monthly check with the d/nurse two days after seeing the doc about my feet. my HbA1c is down a point to 6.2 Blood glucose 88 ( is this good i dont know?) Blood pressure 130 /70 (and this ?) previously 180/25 i think BMI 29.5 (etc) Turns out the locum that took my fasting bloods forgot to do the cholestrel one so no result for trigs chol etc. I was given a Diabetic record card this time so i can track my stats she said she could not understand why i hadn’t had one before ( i have only been DXed for the last three years.) Dohh As mentioned in a previous post i have MRSA (three years now) Well i have been offered a chance to discuss using a regime to eradicate it using methods that involve strict hygiene in the home i.e washing bed linen daily etc and using betnovate body rubs i have an appointment next week for this It has apparently been bought in, in an effort to get people MRSA free before they go into hospital for operations. As currently there are too many people turning for ops who already have MRSA ( free gift last time they were hospitalised no doubt.) Which brings me on to my dreaded Foot Fungi As mentioned by Tiger Lily, to name but one , it seems that the spraying of shoes and disinfection of socks is high on the agenda to effect a cure on this . I asked the nurse about this she said she had never heard of anyone having to disinfect socks and spray shoes etc etc,,,, then ensues a three day battle to obtain the opinion of a diabetic chiropodist about the laundry side of things the upshot of all this is that no one can seem to get hold of one of these rare and elusive creatures so i have now been given her phone number in the hope that i can succeed where co workers in the health proffession have not. No cholestrol test No diabetic chiropidist opinion No record card issued for three years or more I love efficiency … dont you. — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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so sad to hear really when do you get the chol tests run? kate

Hi Next week for fasting bloods then wait another week i s’pose for these test results. I do hope to get hold of this elusive diabetic chiropodist that should be intresting… — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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10:54:23 Sun, 10 Oct 2004alt.support.diabetes.uk I asked the nurse about this she said she had never heard of anyone having to disinfect socks and spray shoes etc etc,,,, then ensues a three day battle to obtain the opinion of a diabetic chiropodist about the laundry side of things Take a peek at any athlete’s foot preparation in the chemist… general disinfection is mentioned or at least implied in the instructions and is totally necessary. For example, with the Scholl cream, they say you should use the powder too on your socks.

Well it appears that she is right and you lot are all wrong

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Had my six monthly check with the d/nurse two days after seeing the doc about my feet. my HbA1c is down a point to 6.2 Blood glucose 88 ( is this good i dont know?)

Don’t know – is that the American system, or should it be 8.8? 8.8 isn’t great. Blood pressure 130 /70 (and this ?)

I’d be happy to have mine thereabouts. previously 180/25 i think BMI 29.5 (etc)

Overweight, but not obese. BMI should be between 20 and 25, I think. Turns out the locum that took my fasting bloods forgot to do the cholestrel one so no result for trigs chol etc. I was given a Diabetic record card this time so i can track my stats she said she could not understand why i hadn’t had one before ( i have only been DXed for the last three years.) Dohh

Never heard of one of these, but my dx was only a year ago. Why not use the Health software that you can download free from Ratty’s website http://www.flyingrat.net/ Go to the "Diabetes" section, then "Databases". As mentioned in a previous post i have MRSA (three years now) Well i have been offered a chance to discuss using a regime to eradicate it using methods that involve strict hygiene in the home i.e washing bed linen daily etc and using betnovate body rubs i have an appointment next week for this

If you do get into washing the bed linen daily [and I would assume towels and such as well], it might be worth seeing if there’s a professional laundry in your area – the sort that takes in the stuff, washes, dries, and folds. There aren’t that many of them around anymore, and it might be a pricey option, but it would be a lot easier [and less stressful] than dealing with that much washing yourself. Did they say how long this regime would last? Or is it open-ended? It has apparently been bought in, in an effort to get people MRSA free before they go into hospital for operations. As currently there are too many people turning for ops who already have MRSA ( free gift last time they were hospitalised no doubt.) Which brings me on to my dreaded Foot Fungi As mentioned by Tiger Lily, to name but one , it seems that the spraying of shoes and disinfection of socks is high on the agenda to effect a cure on this .

Since fungi reproduce by releasing spores, which then "hatch" [or whatever it is that spores do], making more fungi, I would think disinfection would be pretty important. A quick google found this diagrammatic of the life cycle of a particular type of fungus http://www.uark.edu/misc/aphid/lifecycle/life.html I think all fungi work in pretty much the same way. I asked the nurse about this she said she had never heard of anyone having to disinfect socks and spray shoes etc etc,,,, then ensues a three day battle to obtain the opinion of a diabetic chiropodist about the laundry side of things the upshot of all this is that no one can seem to get hold of one of these rare and elusive creatures so i have now been given her phone number in the hope that i can succeed where co workers in the health proffession have not. No cholestrol test No diabetic chiropidist opinion No record card issued for three years or more I love efficiency … dont you.

Yeah, we should try it occasionally. If I were you, I think I would write a letter to the practice manager, detailing what’s happened. That’s really too many cock-ups in one go. Maggie

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a dermatologist is going to give you better advice sooner from the sounds of things

I’ll post what happens when i finally get a hold of the diabetic chiropodist.. — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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a dermatologist is going to give you better advice sooner from the sounds of things — Join us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet /server irc.undernet.org — /join #Diabetic-Talk More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – so sad to hear really when do you get the chol tests run? kate Hi Next week for fasting bloods then wait another week i s’pose for these test results. I do hope to get hold of this elusive diabetic chiropodist that should be intresting… — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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Misinformation

admin — Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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There are always those that stick to a website forum and express utter rubbish. They have nothing to offer but selfish and erroneous nonsense. If this pretends to be a diabetic exchange – I suggest some may be more careful in their opinions. Otherwise I may have to correct certain habitual posters. And you will understand the law.

I presume you are going to explain yourself? R — www.flyingrat.net

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— e-mail me at geraldine(underlined space)ms(littlesnailything) bigfoot dot com only without the spaces. If you e-mail me at hotmail, I may never see it, but, if you must, take out the 25th. & 26th. letters)

I will never have a need to try it, but I love the simple instructions:-) Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. Remove weight and carbs to email. — Everything in Moderation – Except Laughter.

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x-no-archive: yes Ooh, does that mean another session with the wet celery stick and the whipped cream? Oh goody! Oops…

Please form an orderly queue. giggle! Thanks for lightening us up.

My pleasure, I always find the best way to deal with pompous twits like Mr Mentzer is to point out what a fool he is making of himself. — Emma – The Chocolate Monster

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Otherwise I may have to correct certain habitual posters.

Ooh, does that mean another session with the wet celery stick and the whipped cream? Oh goody! Oops…

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Hi Cal I answered you on a.s.d. I didn’t really realise what a twit you were until I saw you here. I expect twits on a.s.d. amd live with it, but here? Go away, fool. I must admit, you picked an excellent subject heading. Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. Remove weight and carbs to email. — Everything in Moderation – Except Laughter.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There are always those that stick to a website forum and express utter rubbish. They have nothing to offer but selfish and erroneous nonsense. If this pretends to be a diabetic exchange – I suggest some may be more careful in their opinions. Otherwise I may have to correct certain habitual posters. And you will understand the law. I presume you are going to explain yourself?

Is he buggery Ratty, he’s going to come round and slap us in t’ gob. (He wishes:-) Beav

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There are always those that stick to a website forum and express utter rubbish.

And there are those who just troll NG’s. They have nothing to offer but selfish and erroneous nonsense.

And those trolls have nothing at ALL to offer. If this pretends to be a diabetic exchange – I suggest some may be more careful in their opinions.

I suggest exactly the same. Good thing THIS place doesn’t pretend to be anything then eh? Otherwise I may have to correct certain habitual posters.

Ahh, a cyber threatner. All the fucking same. Big mouth, no dick and most CERTAINLY no balls. And you will understand the law.

For you am de judge. Ok, we’ve all shit ourselves now, so you won. Now you can fuck off and leave us in peace. Beav

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Is he buggery Ratty, he’s going to come round and slap us in t’ gob. (He wishes:-)

I hope so. Not kicked a troll around for a while now, and where better than our little corner of Usenet to cave their bollocks in Ratty — www.flyingrat.net

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Ah lovely, nothing better for a diabetic support group than somoene randomly dispensing threats. I particularly enjoy the bit about the law. Which law? Of which country? Which is applicable in which circumstance? You may have accidenally tripped over something which could be interesting. Of course this is the wrong group for it, so it would be an OT discussion. Apart from that this post appears to be self-interested nonsense. Trying to be ironic? VBH T2/UK/A1c 5.8/ 1000Met/Dx Oct-03

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Is he buggery Ratty, he’s going to come round and slap us in t’ gob. (He wishes:-) I hope so. Not kicked a troll around for a while now, and where better than our little corner of Usenet to cave their bollocks in Ratty

You are assuming he has bollocks! — Chris Quinn T2 Metformin 1500mg, Asprin 75mg dx March 04 HBA1c 7.5%, June 04

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Trying to be ironic? No – trying to sound sane. But failing. Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. Remove weight and carbs to email. — Everything in Moderation – Except Laughter. He might as well have said: "Hi, Abuse me" VBH T2/UK/A1c 5.8/ 1000Met/Dx Oct-03

I’m sure he’s quite capable of abusing himself – he sounds like a right wanker to me! — Chris Quinn T2 Metformin 1000mg, Asprin 75mg dx March 04 HBA1c 7.5%, June 04

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Trying to be ironic? No – trying to sound sane. But failing. Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. Remove weight and carbs to email. — Everything in Moderation – Except Laughter.

He might as well have said: "Hi, Abuse me" VBH T2/UK/A1c 5.8/ 1000Met/Dx Oct-03

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Trying to be ironic?

No – trying to sound sane. But failing. Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. Remove weight and carbs to email. — Everything in Moderation – Except Laughter.

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Bollock caving should be a national sport mate Beats the crap out of pot holing anyroad:))) Beav

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I note your responses. It holds no surprise. Many feel the need to defend the nonsense they have perpretated on others. What I consider here is lost little boys and girls seeking help from the diabetic curse. I can understand that. And I can understand your anger at the unfairness of it all. But let us not argue. And we should not attack each other – if we are truthful. Sound advice can be confirmed. What is erroneous is heresay and emotionality. Never mistake opinion for fact. Many here make political comment. May I suggest you transfer that energy to your political representatives and ensure funding is given to diabetic research for a cure. Rather than to the Billions of Dollars, Euros and Sterling given to "political" diseases. If you understand that – then you will understand me. My respects –

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I note your responses. It holds no surprise. Many feel the need to defend the nonsense they have perpretated on others. What I consider here is lost little boys and girls seeking help from the diabetic curse. I can understand that. And I can understand your anger at the unfairness of it all. But let us not argue. And we should not attack each other – if we are truthful. Sound advice can be confirmed. What is erroneous is heresay and emotionality. Never mistake opinion for fact. Many here make political comment. May I suggest you transfer that energy to your political representatives and ensure funding is given to diabetic research for a cure. Rather than to the Billions of Dollars, Euros and Sterling given to "political" diseases. If you understand that – then you will understand me. My respects –

Hi Cal I must have missed your earlier response. Please direct me again to your earlier posts on your experiences with diabetes and your support for others here. Sorry, but I did try google and couldn’t find any, but maybe you did the x-no thing? I mean, you have provided some supportive comments, or answered some queries here or on one of the other diabetes ngs, haven’t you? You’re not one of those who lurk, chiming in with an occasional glorious pompous pontification? Surely not? Of course, you could just piss off. Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. Remove weight and carbs to email. — Everything in Moderation – Except Laughter.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I note your responses. It holds no surprise. Many feel the need to defend the nonsense they have perpretated on others. What I consider here is lost little boys and girls seeking help from the diabetic curse. I can understand that. And I can understand your anger at the unfairness of it all. But let us not argue. And we should not attack each other – if we are truthful. Sound advice can be confirmed. What is erroneous is heresay and emotionality. Never mistake opinion for fact. Many here make political comment. May I suggest you transfer that energy to your political representatives and ensure funding is given to diabetic research for a cure. Rather than to the Billions of Dollars, Euros and Sterling given to "political" diseases. If you understand that – then you will understand me. My respects – Hi Cal I must have missed your earlier response. Please direct me again to your earlier posts on your experiences with diabetes and your support for others here. Sorry, but I did try google and couldn’t find any, but maybe you did the x-no thing? I mean, you have provided some supportive comments, or answered some queries here or on one of the other diabetes ngs, haven’t you? You’re not one of those who lurk, chiming in with an occasional glorious pompous pontification? Surely not? Of course, you could just piss off. Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. Remove weight and carbs to email. — Everything in Moderation – Except Laughter.

Got to work this morning, read this post, PMSL. Thanks for a great start to the day, Alan VBH T2/UK/A1c 5.8/ 1000Met/Dx Oct-03

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have perpretated on others

Tsk Tsk. Spelling! BTW are you "speaking" English? ‘Cos I can’t understand what you’re trying to say at all.

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Otherwise I may have to correct certain habitual posters. Ooh, does that mean another session with the wet celery stick and the whipped cream? Oh goody! Oops…

I prefer the butternut squash and mayonnaise. Ensure that the bulbous end of the butternut squash goes in first. JPG

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FYI diabetes is a disease! The only curse we have to suffer is idiot trolls like you. I can understand that. And I can understand your anger at the unfairness of it all. But let us not argue. And we should not attack each other – if we are truthful.

You do not understand or you would not of posted this garbage. Sound advice can be confirmed. What is erroneous is heresay and emotionality. Never mistake opinion for fact.

I agree, I would not mistake your post for fact. Many here make political comment. May I suggest you transfer that energy to your political representatives and ensure funding is given to diabetic research for a cure. Rather than to the Billions of Dollars, Euros and Sterling given to "political" diseases.

After I read that I am sure you are on the wrong group. Please note the .uk at the end it means most of us do not pay for our medications and those that do, do not pay half of what diabetics in other countries pay. If you understand that – then you will understand me. My respects –

If you had any respect you would not be using a yahoo posting address or google to post from stop hiding you bloody coward and show your self. DaveT

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FYI diabetes is a disease Actually, I don’t think of it as a disease. That’s more something you can catch. Diabetes is a problem that part of MY BODY has. I’m not angry with it, rather I feel a bit sorry for it. I’m trying to support it as best I can for the greater good (of the whole me). — Bob Dx T1 4/4/2003, just a few units of novorapid when I need it (trying zeroish carb – kiddies, do not try this at home)

It was the stupid remark about the curse I was getting at. If I caught AIDS or developed cancer or any of a load of really disabling/fatal conditions then I *might* think I had bean cursed. To think of diabetes as a curse shows an ignorance of the term and a bit too much self pity for me to stomach. I seem to remember a group of medics at some worldly gathering about a year or two back declared in there wisdom it was to be henceforth called a disease because previous to then they could not make their minds up if it was a condition, disability or a disease. I have always thought of it as a bloody nuisance. DaveT

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You couldn’t understand it or you’d realise we’re not "angry" about "the unfairness of it all" Who gives a shit? We’ve got it, we live with it and that’s fine by me. Be thankfull YOU dn’t have it. But let us not argue. And we should not attack each other – if we are truthful. Sound advice can be confirmed. What is erroneous is heresay and emotionality. Never mistake opinion for fact.

And never mistake your opinion for being worth a toss. Many here make political comment.

And? May I suggest you transfer that energy to your political representatives and ensure funding is given to diabetic research for a cure. Rather than to the Billions of Dollars, Euros and Sterling given to "political" diseases. If you understand that – then you will understand me.

You assume that we WANT to understand you. Pesonlly I’d prefer not to hear from you. Beav

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Try and be a man. Look in the mirror Try and be a man. Look in the mirror Try and be a man. Look in the mirror Try and be a man.

Well, you tried anyway. Full marks for trying, pity you’ll never make it. Cheers, Alan —

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Naturally I do not respect what you may respect. I cannot tolerate weakness. There are two types of doctors: 1) Those that pander and lie. Then tear their hair out at the stupidity and ignorance of those that attend their appointments. And they return and return. 2) Those that regard you as something of a rabbit. This will apply to many. Stop being a fool. If you wish to argue do so with those that consider you as foolish. I note the childish bravado. Educate your brain. Try and be a man. –

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What is ethical???

admin — Wed, 16 Jun 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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From the Diabetes UK E-mail Stop press: Diabetes UK awaits stem cell decision Researchers in Newcastle are the first to apply for a licence to clone human embryos for use in stem cell research to cure diabetes. The Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority (HFEA) are currently assessing the application with a decision due soon. Read the full story at http://www.diabetes.org.uk/news/June04/stemcell.htm As the word embryo is rather misleading because they are planning to use eggs before they are inseminated I would have thought the question was is it right to let the living suffer or to let unused human eggs die off, rather than an ethical argument that will get the pro-lifers all worked up. I hope for once common sence prevails. DaveT

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – From the Diabetes UK E-mail Stop press: Diabetes UK awaits stem cell decision Researchers in Newcastle are the first to apply for a licence to clone human embryos for use in stem cell research to cure diabetes. The Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority (HFEA) are currently assessing the application with a decision due soon. Read the full story at http://www.diabetes.org.uk/news/June04/stemcell.htm As the word embryo is rather misleading because they are planning to use eggs before they are inseminated I would have thought the question was is it right to let the living suffer or to let unused human eggs die off, rather than an ethical argument that will get the pro-lifers all worked up. I hope for once common sence prevails. DaveT

Hi Dave For a diabetic to be against stem cell research is akin to those religious groups who let their people die for want of a blood transfusion. The belief may be sincere, but there is a high price to pay. For a diabetic with cancer to be opposed would be taking it to extremes. I don’t believe in extremes. Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. Remove weight and carbs to email. — Everything in Moderation – Except Laughter.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – From the Diabetes UK E-mail Stop press: Diabetes UK awaits stem cell decision Researchers in Newcastle are the first to apply for a licence to clone human embryos for use in stem cell research to cure diabetes. The Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority (HFEA) are currently assessing the application with a decision due soon. Read the full story at http://www.diabetes.org.uk/news/June04/stemcell.htm As the word embryo is rather misleading because they are planning to use eggs before they are inseminated I would have thought the question was is it right to let the living suffer or to let unused human eggs die off, rather than an ethical argument that will get the pro-lifers all worked up. I hope for once common sence prevails.

And there’s a snowballs chance in hell of that happening. Beav

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It’s nothing to do with ethics IMHO, it’s just the "every sperm is sacred" attitude of the RC and fundamentalist religions which seems to spin off into distrust or even outright hatred of science amongst the scientifically sub-literate politicians and other power-mongers such as the tabloid newspaper bosses. JPG – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -DaveT

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It’s nothing to do with ethics IMHO

Perthonally, I prefer Thuthex to Ethics! I’ll get me coat. Kevin the Lurker

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As the word embryo is rather misleading because they are planning to use eggs before they are inseminated I would have thought the question was is it right to let the living suffer or to let unused human eggs die off, rather than an ethical argument that will get the pro-lifers all worked up. I hope for once common sence prevails. It’s nothing to do with ethics IMHO, it’s just the "every sperm is sacred" attitude of the RC and fundamentalist religions which seems to spin off into distrust or even outright hatred of science amongst the scientifically sub-literate politicians and other power-mongers such as the tabloid newspaper bosses. JPG

Thanks for the reminder. I answered seriously earlier; of course there is another side: http://www.wilken.freeserve.co.uk/Montypython/Songs/song15.htm Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. Remove weight and carbs to email. — Everything in Moderation – Except Laughter.

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Except of course that there is no sperm involved in this case – its about cloning. TBF to the religionists ( a Bushism ? ) they do not think all sperm are sacred but all human LIFE is sacred.

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Collodial Silver

admin — Tue, 06 Apr 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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I never said that collodial silver will cure your ailment. I will say the following. As an antibiotic, Silver kills over 650 disease causing organisms; resistant strains fail to develop. Silver is absolutely nontoxic. Silver is the best all-around germ fighter we have. Doctors are reporting that, taken internally, it works against syphilis, cholera, malaria, diabetes and severe burns. (Bio/Tech News, 1995) If It’s good against strep A. Will it work for any other pathogen? Look it up or try it. I saw a list somewhere of all 650 of them. I reccomend collodial silver for anyone with a possible infection. Chronic fatigue , etc., etc If you do try this, make sure to eat "active culture" yogurt or take a supplement. Supplents should already be on your list. good luck. God bless.

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In , Dali said: > make sure to eat "active culture"

At present, the most active would have to be Arab Islamic culture, and I just happen to know a belly dancer who looks good enough to eat. ((U)) M

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michelle downunder wrote: > On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 21:50:22 -0700, "Michael" > wrote: >>At present, the most active would have to be Arab Islamic culture, and I >>just happen to know a belly dancer who looks good enough to eat. > LOL > your mind is at the same level as mine…. > Michelle

Throw me a rope so I can get up there. melodymom

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In , melodynamic said: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> michelle downunder wrote: >> On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 21:50:22 -0700, "Michael" >> wrote: >>> At present, the most active would have to be Arab Islamic culture, >>> and I just happen to know a belly dancer who looks good enough to >>> eat. >> LOL >> your mind is at the same level as mine…. >> Michelle > Throw me a rope so I can get up there. > melodymom

It’s hard to keep your eyes on the road when your mind’s in the gutter. ((U)) M

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Michael wrote: > In , >>Throw me a rope so I can get up there. >>melodymom > It’s hard to keep your eyes on the road when your mind’s in the gutter. > ((U)) > M

That’s probably why they took my keys away. But why won’t they let me have scissors? mm

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In , melodynamic said: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Michael wrote: >> In , >>> Throw me a rope so I can get up there. >>> melodymom >> It’s hard to keep your eyes on the road when your mind’s in the >> gutter. >> ((U)) >> M > That’s probably why they took my keys away. But why won’t they let me > have scissors? > mm

Shear madness? ((U)) M

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Michael wrote: >>That’s probably why they took my keys away. But why won’t they let me >>have scissors? >>mm > Shear madness? > ((U)) > M

ROFL!!! You win. ;) Goodnight. mm

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coffee all over the monitor.. I did not hear the customary warning.’Laura, swallow’ — Laura "Michael" wrote in message

news:c4tcuo$2hfse0$1@ID-78693.news.uni-berlin.de… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In , > Dali said: > > make sure to eat "active culture" > At present, the most active would have to be Arab Islamic culture, and I > just happen to know a belly dancer who looks good enough to eat. > ((U)) > M

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PLEASE be so kind as to keep alt.support.alzheimers out of these threads, we are really not interested. Thanks, Evelyn "Laura" wrote in message

news:Ycxcc.120355$8G2.100509@fe3.columbus.rr.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> coffee all over the monitor.. > I did not hear the customary warning.’Laura, swallow’ > — > Laura > "Michael" wrote in message > news:c4tcuo$2hfse0$1@ID-78693.news.uni-berlin.de… > > In , > > Dali said: > > > make sure to eat "active culture" > > At present, the most active would have to be Arab Islamic culture, and I > > just happen to know a belly dancer who looks good enough to eat. > > ((U)) > > M

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Laura wrote: > coffee all over the monitor.. > I did not hear the customary warning.’Laura, swallow’

LOL Always consider the source. Clicking "next" can be hazardous to your screen… melodymom

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Melodynamic, PLEASE be so kind as to remove alt.support.alzheimers from the headers when you reply to this thread? We’d appreciate it very much. Thanks, Evelyn "melodynamic" wrote in message

news:c4ukps$2mchh1$3@ID-69147.news.uni-berlin.de… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Laura wrote: > > coffee all over the monitor.. > > I did not hear the customary warning.’Laura, swallow’ > LOL Always consider the source. Clicking "next" can be hazardous to > your screen… > melodymom

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Dali wrote: >I never said that collodial silver will cure your ailment. I will say >the following. >As an antibiotic, Silver kills over 650 disease causing organisms; >resistant strains fail to develop. Silver is absolutely nontoxic. >Silver is the best all-around germ fighter we have. Doctors are >reporting that, taken internally, it works against syphilis, cholera, >malaria, diabetes and severe burns. (Bio/Tech News, 1995) >If It’s good against strep A. Will it work for any other pathogen? >Look it up or try it. I saw a list somewhere of all 650 of them. I >reccomend collodial silver for anyone with a possible infection. >Chronic fatigue , etc., etc >If you do try this, make sure to eat "active culture" yogurt or take >a supplement. Supplents should already be on your list. good luck. God >bless.

Pyramids man. You need to check out the pyramids.

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>I never said that collodial silver will cure your ailment. I will say >the following. >As an antibiotic, Silver kills over 650 disease causing organisms; >resistant strains fail to develop. Silver is absolutely nontoxic.

I can’t find this article, however, it becomes apparent that these are _in vitro_ studies. Do you understand what MIC refers to? >Silver is the best all-around germ fighter we have. Doctors are

Based on your limited knowledge? Last we spoke, you didn’t know what MRSA, VRE and the OrpD porin were. How can you make such statements when you don’t have a fundamental understanding? >reporting that, taken internally, it works against syphilis, cholera, >malaria, diabetes and severe burns. (Bio/Tech News, 1995) >If It’s good against strep A. Will it work for any other pathogen? >Look it up or try it. I saw a list somewhere of all 650 of them. I >reccomend collodial silver for anyone with a possible infection. >Chronic fatigue , etc., etc >If you do try this, make sure to eat "active culture" yogurt or take >a supplement. Supplents should already be on your list. good luck. God >bless.

First, you’re talking antibiotics and now probiotics. Does the blessing excuse you for your various attacks on people whom simply ask that you don’t crosspost and flame? Brent, It is time to pick up a 1st year text and start learning. Darryl.

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On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 17:13:27 -0400, Darryl – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text - wrote: >>I never said that collodial silver will cure your ailment. I will say >>the following. >>As an antibiotic, Silver kills over 650 disease causing organisms; >>resistant strains fail to develop. Silver is absolutely nontoxic. >I can’t find this article, however, it becomes apparent that these are >_in vitro_ studies. Do you understand what MIC refers to? >>Silver is the best all-around germ fighter we have. Doctors are >Based on your limited knowledge? Last we spoke, you didn’t know what >MRSA, VRE and the OrpD porin were. How can you make such statements >when you don’t have a fundamental understanding? >>reporting that, taken internally, it works against syphilis, cholera, >>malaria, diabetes and severe burns. (Bio/Tech News, 1995) >>If It’s good against strep A. Will it work for any other pathogen? >>Look it up or try it. I saw a list somewhere of all 650 of them. I >>reccomend collodial silver for anyone with a possible infection. >>Chronic fatigue , etc., etc >>If you do try this, make sure to eat "active culture" yogurt or take >>a supplement. Supplents should already be on your list. good luck. God >>bless. >First, you’re talking antibiotics and now probiotics. Does the >blessing excuse you for your various attacks on people whom simply ask >that you don’t crosspost and flame? >Brent, It is time to pick up a 1st year text and start learning. >Darryl.

Appreciate the advice. Do you know what a reactive infection is? Could it be possible you have one?

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On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 17:40:07 GMT, "Evelyn Ruut" wrote: >Melodynamic, >PLEASE be so kind as to remove alt.support.alzheimers from the headers when >you reply to this thread? >We’d appreciate it very much. >Thanks, >Evelyn

Melo probably forgot to. Alzheimers will do that. So will smoking pot. Oh, btw, you can remove alt.drugs.pot as well, because we’ll forget your post by the time we read the sig line anyway. BudBurner

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"Evelyn Ruut" wrote: > PLEASE be so kind as to remove alt.support.alzheimers from the headers when > you reply to this thread? > We’d appreciate it very much.

Is this the "royal we" you’re using here? Well, you aren’t speaking for me (and others.) I get a kick out of the silliness on this NG. If you only want dry, technical MS posts, there are forums for that, too. Sylvia ("we are amused")

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On 7 Apr 2004 09:53:52 -0700, Sylv772…@yahoo.com (Sylvia) wrote: >"Evelyn Ruut" wrote: >> PLEASE be so kind as to remove alt.support.alzheimers from the headers when >> you reply to this thread? >> We’d appreciate it very much. >Is this the "royal we" you’re using here? >Well, you aren’t speaking for me (and others.) >I get a kick out of the silliness on this NG. If you only want dry, >technical MS posts, there are forums for that, too. >Sylvia ("we are amused")

Watch Sylvia as I beg people to leave me alone. Thats amusing.

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In , Dali said: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> On 7 Apr 2004 09:53:52 -0700, Sylv772…@yahoo.com (Sylvia) wrote: >> "Evelyn Ruut" wrote: >>> PLEASE be so kind as to remove alt.support.alzheimers from the >>> headers when you reply to this thread? >>> We’d appreciate it very much. >> Is this the "royal we" you’re using here? >> Well, you aren’t speaking for me (and others.) >> I get a kick out of the silliness on this NG. If you only want dry, >> technical MS posts, there are forums for that, too. >> Sylvia ("we are amused") > Watch Sylvia as I beg people to leave me alone. Thats amusing.

What makes you think people will ever extend you the courtesy of leaving you alone, when you so steadfastly refuse to consider doing them the same favour? You keep saying that you’re finished posting and you’re going away, but you never do. You’re a lying, whiny-assed little hypocrite, Brent… and you’re a particularly unimaginative and boring one, at that. ((U)) M

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On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 12:05:03 -0700, "Michael" wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->In , >Dali said: >> On 7 Apr 2004 09:53:52 -0700, Sylv772…@yahoo.com (Sylvia) wrote: >>> "Evelyn Ruut" wrote: >>>> PLEASE be so kind as to remove alt.support.alzheimers from the >>>> headers when you reply to this thread? >>>> We’d appreciate it very much. >>> Is this the "royal we" you’re using here? >>> Well, you aren’t speaking for me (and others.) >>> I get a kick out of the silliness on this NG. If you only want dry, >>> technical MS posts, there are forums for that, too. >>> Sylvia ("we are amused") >> Watch Sylvia as I beg people to leave me alone. Thats amusing. >What makes you think people will ever extend you the courtesy of leaving you >alone, when you so steadfastly refuse to consider doing them the same >favour? You keep saying that you’re finished posting and you’re going >away, but you never do. >You’re a lying, whiny-assed little hypocrite, Brent… and you’re a >particularly unimaginative and boring one, at that. >((U)) > M

Have I made you mad? lmao. I’m going outside

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In , Dali said: > Have I made you mad?

Mad? You’re not worth the waste of energy. I am disappointed, though. You’re about as amusing as one of those inflatable punching clowns with sand in its base. ((U)) M

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We are still waiting for your address MORON. Your Doctors detail? But NO you are a foul mothed idiotic COWARD Enjoy your GAME while you can because you will be hunted down. I know it will take time but some of the best IT brains in the world are on your case. You have been warned!

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In , BarryDdly said: > We are still waiting for your address MORON. Your Doctors detail? > But NO you are a foul mothed idiotic COWARD > Enjoy your GAME while you can because you will be hunted down. I know > it will take time but some of the best IT brains in the world are on > your case. You have been warned!

I already hunted him down months ago, Dave. Took about 8 minutes. :-) ((U)) M

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On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 17:31:28 -0700, "Michael" wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->In , >BarryDdly said: >> We are still waiting for your address MORON. Your Doctors detail? >> But NO you are a foul mothed idiotic COWARD >> Enjoy your GAME while you can because you will be hunted down. I know >> it will take time but some of the best IT brains in the world are on >> your case. You have been warned! >I already hunted him down months ago, Dave. Took about 8 minutes. :-) >((U)) > M

Dare I ask, what did you do after you hunted him down? Donn

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In , d…@cheetah.net said: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 17:31:28 -0700, "Michael" > wrote: >> In , >> BarryDdly said: >>> We are still waiting for your address MORON. Your Doctors detail? >>> But NO you are a foul mothed idiotic COWARD >>> Enjoy your GAME while you can because you will be hunted down. I >>> know it will take time but some of the best IT brains in the world >>> are on your case. You have been warned! >> I already hunted him down months ago, Dave. Took about 8 minutes. >> >> ((U)) >> M > Dare I ask, what did you do after you hunted him down? > Donn

I published his address and telephone number right here in a.s.m-s … and I willingly accepted the requisite heat for doing so. Search Google for (borgers marathon specimen) if the details really matter. ((U)) M

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 18:59:32 GMT, Dali wrote: >On 7 Apr 2004 09:53:52 -0700, Sylv772…@yahoo.com (Sylvia) wrote: >>"Evelyn Ruut" wrote: >>> PLEASE be so kind as to remove alt.support.alzheimers from the headers when >>> you reply to this thread? >>> We’d appreciate it very much. >>Is this the "royal we" you’re using here? >>Well, you aren’t speaking for me (and others.) >>I get a kick out of the silliness on this NG. If you only want dry, >>technical MS posts, there are forums for that, too. >>Sylvia ("we are amused") >Watch Sylvia as I beg people to leave me alone. Thats amusing.

Dali, GO AWAY Try alt.support.mult-sclerosis.alternatives nobody uses it and you can post your non scientific snake oil cures all you like. I THOUGHT YOU PROMISED TO NOT COME BACK TO THIS NG. YOU ARE A BAREFACED LIAR TOO……. GO AWAY PLEASE NBD

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MHD

admin — Sun, 01 Feb 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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This isn’t CHARLES group, but if you feel that you no longer wish to participate, then that’s Ok. I thought I might learn something here but I am done with newsgroups.

Would this be because you didn’t get the full support of the masses I wonder? If so, then I’d say you’re right and that newsgroups aren’t for you. I wanted to make friends but I found out the internet is not the place.

It was for a lot of us. Thanks to the ones who have supported me. Yes Ted you are a very sweet person to me and I love you for that. You hang in there Ted and things will get better.

Which Ted is this? Beav

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MHD I am sorry for upsetting your group but I still feel Charles is not the Christian he said he was and he is my only enemy and no one else is. Charles you are a hypocrite and you know it. You only care about your own beliefs and ideas. I am glad you were not my daughters Sunday School teacher because I reared her not to be a bigot like people like you. I pity you Charles, with your health conditions you told me you have you should walk the narrow path better than you are. I don’t apologize for anything said to you but to the rest of MHD I won’t bother your group again. I thought I might learn something here but I am done with newsgroups. I wanted to make friends but I found out the internet is not the place. Thanks to the ones who have supported me. Yes Ted you are a very sweet person to me and I love you for that. You hang in there Ted and things will get better. Diana — May You Live Today By How You Want To Be Remembered Tomorrow

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From Guy Williams A lot us have been following this group for years. WE can expect a certain of posting from some of our people. This is not a problem for me. I know all of the people would come to aid me if I needed and asked for it.

The personalities may be diverse, our behaviour predictable, but we rally when the chips are down.

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This group was initiated to inform people about diabetes. At that time I was suffering and did not know squat about my problem. When I found MHD it was like it was getting daylight. It was formed by some very special people. A few are still around still helping. When we get too far off on a tangent we must try to remember why we are here. Technical words are to define, not to impress. Using them to snow a diabetic is improper. They are used for selling to fool the syckers. They have a place, if used at the proper place and in the proper setting. . When I see a person come here confused and very distressed, then flower nto a wonderful poster with positive contributions, I feel great Guy.

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A few weeks back I was at a health food se and the owner was talking to me about restreing my eyesight with some herb or other. Her intent wasn’t exactly to sell me something from her store, she was quite curious, and as we talked, I discovered she didn’t know squat about retinopathy. She was not like some of the spammers we get here, but was trying to understand and help me. It escalated in to an argument. A rather strong one, as she was convinced she would be able to regrow the part of my retina that is damaged, and prevent further bleeding in my eyes. Partly because of this group, i uave gotten enough knowledge about the cause and effect of this eye disease and m opthal assured me that once the retina detaches, that’s it … game over. This lady would not let it go, and shewas following me around the store, and was absolutely convinced, maybe due to her training as an herbalist, and partly due to ignorance, that she really believed that she could restore my ruined sight. Now, I don;t know owyou feel about this, but wouldn’t you think that if this were possible, that some caring doc would gladly hand these things out. If it was so simple and all we had to do was to buy this herb to see, how many grateful people flock to that store to get treated. My God, the grateful hordes that would appear ! And how cruel is it to make this kind of claim, to a person already in trouble. Just like Jack with a hand full of magic beans, huh ? I was in the store buying something else, and here is this woman telling me she is capable of curing my problem, with a $10 bottle of an herb. When she wouldn’t let it go, I got angry and told her off. Told her how cruel it was to keep this ability she has to cure blindness. We will not be shopping in her store anymore. It’s closer to my house than the only other store, but I’ll be taking the bus to the other one now. Just like the vitamin store for body builders right by my house. One lady who works there is convinced that some preparation they sell will cure diabetes. The difference between this lady and the other, is that this lady is just a fast talking saleswoman. Shs no more believes this crap than flying to the moon, She is just looking for her commission. The unabashed cruelty of telling people that this or that preparation will fix or restore a medical problem, is so huge that it just boggles my mind. And people should really know better, that if any of this was real, we’d all be doing it, right ? In contrast, the other health food place i go to, does not promote anything they sell as a cure. They mainly have real food stuffs and prepackagd healthy snacks and supplements. They do have the usual number of remedies and packaged herbs and so forth, but these guys never push it. They’ll fix you up with a wheatgrass drink at the juice bar ( very poplar there ), but they don’t pretend to be God. Anyone who reads this group on a continuing basis, know bett. I think we all have a responsibility to continue to make sure others don’t get scammed by people who only want money. I. for one, know the desperation of finding a way to deal with my diminishing sight, and eating some pill that might not even really be a certain herb or anything other than a placebo, might be attractive in a desperate moment. But we know these things won;t work. Some people will try the latest "witch doctor". I have a really good idea, ( she said sarcastically ) it might be unique to some. Invest all your time and money in to good education, a gym membership and the best food and med you can. Find an acceptable doc. Most people want a quick fix and there isn’t one. And some people want to believe all that mumbo gumbo the spammer scammers blab. I personally wouldn’t give any creedence to anyone telling me that some magic pill will care anything. At least I know I a not going to hell with a pocket full of money I stole from hopeful desperate folks ! Rainbow

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Diabetes Patients: See for yourself why it's called "The Greatest Vitamin in the World"

admin — Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:00:00 +0000

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I was thinking of a pair of sugar-free black pumps.

Pumps? I didn’t know you used insulin! Hehe! — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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You will never want to take a synthetic vitamin again. "The Greatest Vitamin in the World" nutritionally supports people with weight loss issues, stress, digestion/indigestion problems, blood sugar level/diabetes, among a host of others. "The Greatest Vitamin in the World" is endorsed by the NBCCA representing most teams in the NBA. It also has the Gold seal award for using only the highest grade and most absorbable nutrients known to man. For more information and the absolute lowest prices on the ‘net for "The Greatest Vitamin in the World," go to:

interesting that the NBA was not pleased when they were informed about this fraud. Mack Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.

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Have you read that stuff lately about the "toe cleavage" operations women have to get their feet to fit in designer shoes. I really thought I’d heard it all. But there was a topper, calf (as in leg) operations for men. I think the end is near. — — t2_lurking geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete) Well, i dreamed i saw the silver Space ships flying In the yellow haze of the sun — Neil Young —

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was thinking of a pair of sugar-free black pumps. c Maybe if you buy "The Greatest Vitamin in the World" you will be safe no matter what kind of shoes you buy. I am quite sure you don’t really need new shoes to begin with though. Sleepy What type of shoes?????? I’m going shopping tomorrow and need to know! c You will never want to take a synthetic vitamin again. "The Greatest Vitamin in the World" nutritionally supports people with weight loss issues, stress, digestion/indigestion problems, blood sugar level/diabetes, among a host of others. "The Greatest Vitamin in the World" is endorsed by the NBCCA representing most teams in the NBA. It also has the Gold seal award for using only the highest grade and most absorbable nutrients known to man. For more information and the absolute lowest prices on the ‘net for "The Greatest Vitamin in the World," go to: The burning question of the hour is, will it cure diabetes that is caused by wearing shoes? SM You can tell those republicans sure do like the poor folks, They just keep helping create more and more of them! You can tell those republicans sure do like the poor folks, They just keep helping create more and more of them!

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He thinks we’re suckers… Who want to buy his snake oil… And his stupid scam. — I hate spam, but that isn’t really part of my email address. Remove the string "HatesSpam" from this email Ever wonder what it’d be like to be a blood-sucking parasite? http://tinyurl.com/7wxk

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I was thinking of a pair of sugar-free black pumps. c

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe if you buy "The Greatest Vitamin in the World" you will be safe no matter what kind of shoes you buy. I am quite sure you don’t really need new shoes to begin with though. Sleepy What type of shoes?????? I’m going shopping tomorrow and need to know! c You will never want to take a synthetic vitamin again. "The Greatest Vitamin in the World" nutritionally supports people with weight loss issues, stress, digestion/indigestion problems, blood sugar level/diabetes, among a host of others. "The Greatest Vitamin in the World" is endorsed by the NBCCA representing most teams in the NBA. It also has the Gold seal award for using only the highest grade and most absorbable nutrients known to man. For more information and the absolute lowest prices on the ‘net for "The Greatest Vitamin in the World," go to: The burning question of the hour is, will it cure diabetes that is caused by wearing shoes? SM You can tell those republicans sure do like the poor folks, They just keep helping create more and more of them! You can tell those republicans sure do like the poor folks, They just keep helping create more and more of them!

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You will never want to take a synthetic vitamin again.

And of course, it’s a pyramid scheme, where the "affiliate" gets credit for your web orders…. you can’t access the page without specifying an affiliate. The throwaway account at google seems to have gone away… Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at www.albany.net/~gwoods Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1200′ elevation. NY WO G

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Maybe if you buy "The Greatest Vitamin in the World" you will be safe no matter what kind of shoes you buy. I am quite sure you don’t really need new shoes to begin with though. Sleepy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -What type of shoes?????? I’m going shopping tomorrow and need to know! c You will never want to take a synthetic vitamin again. "The Greatest Vitamin in the World" nutritionally supports people with weight loss issues, stress, digestion/indigestion problems, blood sugar level/diabetes, among a host of others. "The Greatest Vitamin in the World" is endorsed by the NBCCA representing most teams in the NBA. It also has the Gold seal award for using only the highest grade and most absorbable nutrients known to man. For more information and the absolute lowest prices on the ‘net for "The Greatest Vitamin in the World," go to: The burning question of the hour is, will it cure diabetes that is caused by wearing shoes? SM You can tell those republicans sure do like the poor folks, They just keep helping create more and more of them!

You can tell those republicans sure do like the poor folks, They just keep helping create more and more of them!

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What type of shoes?????? I’m going shopping tomorrow and need to know! c

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You will never want to take a synthetic vitamin again. "The Greatest Vitamin in the World" nutritionally supports people with weight loss issues, stress, digestion/indigestion problems, blood sugar level/diabetes, among a host of others. "The Greatest Vitamin in the World" is endorsed by the NBCCA representing most teams in the NBA. It also has the Gold seal award for using only the highest grade and most absorbable nutrients known to man. For more information and the absolute lowest prices on the ‘net for "The Greatest Vitamin in the World," go to: The burning question of the hour is, will it cure diabetes that is caused by wearing shoes? SM You can tell those republicans sure do like the poor folks, They just keep helping create more and more of them!

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The burning question of the hour is, will it cure diabetes that is caused by wearing shoes? SM You can tell those republicans sure do like the poor folks, They just keep helping create more and more of them!

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You will never want to take a synthetic vitamin again. "The Greatest Vitamin in the World" nutritionally supports people with weight loss issues, stress, digestion/indigestion problems, blood sugar level/diabetes, among a host of others. "The Greatest Vitamin For more information and the absolute lowest prices on the ‘net for "The Greatest Vitamin in the World," go to: http://www.psychopath-research.com/whatis_psycho_1.html

You spelled the URL wrong. Don’t worry, I fixed it. Regards Old Al

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Guess you will make some hits. Spammers depend on this. Here most of the people are fairly educated in diabetes and you will not fare well here. you could use some lessons in morality and the attributes of a person that exploits sick people. Go away – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -You will never want to take a synthetic vitamin again. "The Greatest Vitamin in the World" nutritionally supports people with weight loss issues, stress, digestion/indigestion problems, blood sugar level/diabetes, among a host of others. "The Greatest Vitamin in the World" is endorsed by the NBCCA representing most teams in the NBA. It also has the Gold seal award for using only the highest grade and most absorbable nutrients known to man. For more information and the absolute lowest prices on the ‘net for "The Greatest Vitamin in the World," go to: www.dontforgettotakeyourvitamins.com/spivak29919

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FREE tips on dealing with stress, eating well, recipies and more!

admin — Thu, 13 Nov 2003 00:00:00 +0000

Question:

You just happen to be sponsored by a huge Life Insurance Company. Fer Shere Dude. SM Why Can’t I Tickle Myself?

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-0500: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Why not learn how to post on newsgroups properly? Want to Feel Healthier? We are a multi-partnered project A whit? Since when have projects had "partners"? at Lakehead University in Thunder Bay ON, Canada. Never heard of it. Since when have academic project participants been posting anonymously and using hotmail addresses? Overseen by a team of researchers and health experts, we are dedicated to the prevention of disease and the promotion of health. Pull the other one! You’re a spammer, plain and simple, as nasty and money-grabbing as any other. Kindly go forth and procreate. Yes, I realize that I placed multiple listings and was afraid that it may appear as SPAM. However, my reply should indicate that it is not and that the contents of the website, that I am so excited about, is genuine. This is a multi-partner project, the website was put together with input from individuals of many different organizations (click on "meet the team" to see who). Never heard of Lakehead University? Check out Lakehead’s website www.lakeheadu.ca

OK. Would I find there evidence of your connection with the University? Finally, nowhere on the www.successfulaging.ca website are we or will we ask for money. To use the resources of the website you do not have to sign-up or leave your email. I to am aware of SPAM, which is why I refuse to leave my personal email in newsgroups. But rest assured, I last "m"). With the current resources, this is the only way to let people know about the website on a global scale.

You mean, you regard your website as important enough to abuse our (and other) newsgroups with off-topic advertising for it? How is this not spam? Perhaps we don’t quite share your perceptions about your importance, and are less than happy about posts which violate the charters of our newsgroups, and dilute their value. It is easy to criticize in a world of deceit, but one must be careful not to overgeneralize to those who are here for good intentions. Peter Brink, Thunder Bay, ON, Canada

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Can you grab his advisor’s name, or the department at Lakehead U.? Most universities forbid any form of spam, and their personnel department/IT department/deans would be pretty angry about this sort of behavior.

I searched the Lakehead University website and came up with this news release. Go to http://www.lakeheadu.ca/~eventswww/successfulaging.html and you’ll find the news release along with names of contacts. I’m sure the folks at Lakehead U would be interested in knowing that someone is abusing the newsgroups in their good name.

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OK, Peter, thanks for your name. But really, if your project were a scientific one, I’d be looking for details of your department, supervisor’s name, aim of research, and so forth, simply as a token of good faith. And phrases like "Want to feal healthier?" and "I am so excited about it" and "we are a multi-partnered project" don’t exactly suggest scientific motivation. The project and its connection with Lakehead U. seem legit. The project is partly funded by Manulife Financial- an insurance company with a special interest in keeping the Canadian population healthy. Perhaps Peter has a relationship with Manulife? That might explain his excitement. It’s no excuse to spam the newsgroups with cross-posts though.

Also. cross-posting is vastly, vastly preferable to sending the same thing individually to all the different groups and making people who happen to follow different groups read it again, and again, and again. But failing to correctly set a "Followup-To:" is grounds for flensing him with wet spaghetti. And again, it really smells like a miracle-cure-spam-scam from the format and style. It may even be in use to gather addresses to spam people, which seems a common use for semi-vaguely-legitimate website forms these days.

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Not X Posted to SEVEN groups The project and its connection with Lakehead U. seem legit. The project is partly funded by Manulife Financial- an insurance company with a special interest in keeping the Canadian population healthy.

Dead people don’t pay premiums. This is no small company keeping Canadians healthy. They just bought John Hancock Insurance Co. Perhaps you have heard of them. Perhaps Peter has a relationship with Manulife? That might explain his excitement. It’s no excuse to spam the newsgroups with cross-posts though. D. Monk

Sleepy If you think nobody cares, try missing a couple of payments.

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The project and its connection with Lakehead U. seem legit. The project is partly funded by Manulife Financial- an insurance company with a special interest in keeping the Canadian population healthy. Perhaps Peter has a relationship with Manulife? That might explain his excitement. It’s no excuse to spam the newsgroups with cross-posts though. D. Monk

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When I see the word "free" or "cure" I do not read those posts. Diabetes is not a trivial matter to us. In addition to diabetes we are plagued by people and organizations trying to get what money we have left. Most are very good sales people but basically trying to make a easy buck. We do not need or want that type. Most people here are aware of the problem and you will not find many here that are dumb enough to buy some line. If anyone that buys into these claims that use the internet for free advertising has no need for this group. They need education on how salesmen works to get easy money. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Yes, I realize that I placed multiple listings and was afraid that it may appear as SPAM. However, my reply should indicate that it is not and that the contents of the website, that I am so excited about, is genuine. This is a multi-partner project, the website was put together with input from individuals of many different organizations (click on "meet the team" to see who). Never heard of Lakehead University? Check out Lakehead’s website www.lakeheadu.ca Finally, nowhere on the www.successfulaging.ca website are we or will we ask for money. To use the resources of the website you do not have to sign-up or leave your email. I to am aware of SPAM, which is why I refuse to leave my personal email in newsgroups. But rest assured, I will answer any email sent With the current resources, this is the only way to let people know about the website on a global scale. It is easy to criticize in a world of deceit, but one must be careful not to overgeneralize to those who are here for good intentions. Peter Brink, Thunder Bay, ON, Canada This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Why not learn how to post on newsgroups properly? Want to Feel Healthier? We are a multi-partnered project A whit? Since when have projects had "partners"? at Lakehead University in Thunder Bay ON, Canada. Never heard of it. Since when have academic project participants been posting anonymously and using hotmail addresses? Overseen by a team of researchers and health experts, we are dedicated to the prevention of disease and the promotion of health. Pull the other one! You’re a spammer, plain and simple, as nasty and money-grabbing as any other. Kindly go forth and procreate. — Alan Mackenzie (Munich, Germany) (like "aa"), remove half of them (leaving, say, "a").

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Well, I LOOKED at your web site full of feel-good trash has anyone in your organization ever REASON a study? it does not look like it You are publishing references to PRESS reports about articles (NOT STUDIES) which are NOT definitive.. In most cases, the press report is taken from a press release written bu a flack who has no concept of the problem, AND, most important, someone writes a letter to JAMA or NEJM, or LANCET, which says "in my opinion, the sun comes up in the west", and the wire report says " Researchers prove sun comes up in the west, a study by Hopkins, published in…." THEN, some twit like you QUOTES IT as FACT. Ignoring ALL the other evidence. To point out just ONE item, you are trumpeting that Hopkins says you should take vitim for Macular Edema- I GO to Hopkins, for Macular Edema – in ALL the years I have gone there, I have NEVER been told to use any "supplements" or "vitimnes", and I go to one of the top people there. – ALSO, you ignore the fact that the FDA advises people NOT to take the stuff. and there are LOTS of studies in Medline showing why you shouldn’t. Most of your other factoids are questionable, at best – but the SOUND like you have a clue. THEN, you SPAM the newsgroups with your "informational site" it IS spam – even if it is "non commercial" PLEASE go away – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yes, I realize that I placed multiple listings and was afraid that it may appear as SPAM. However, my reply should indicate that it is not and that the contents of the website, that I am so excited about, is genuine. This is a multi-partner project, the website was put together with input from individuals of many different organizations (click on "meet the team" to see who). Never heard of Lakehead University? Check out Lakehead’s website www.lakeheadu.ca Finally, nowhere on the www.successfulaging.ca website are we or will we ask for money. To use the resources of the website you do not have to sign-up or leave your email. I to am aware of SPAM, which is why I refuse to leave my personal email in newsgroups. But rest assured, I will answer any email sent With the current resources, this is the only way to let people know about the website on a global scale. It is easy to criticize in a world of deceit, but one must be careful not to overgeneralize to those who are here for good intentions. Peter Brink, Thunder Bay, ON, Canada This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Why not learn how to post on newsgroups properly? Want to Feel Healthier? We are a multi-partnered project A whit? Since when have projects had "partners"? at Lakehead University in Thunder Bay ON, Canada. Never heard of it. Since when have academic project participants been posting anonymously and using hotmail addresses? Overseen by a team of researchers and health experts, we are dedicated to the prevention of disease and the promotion of health. Pull the other one! You’re a spammer, plain and simple, as nasty and money-grabbing as any other. Kindly go forth and procreate. — Alan Mackenzie (Munich, Germany) (like "aa"), remove half of them (leaving, say, "a").

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Yes, I realize that I placed multiple listings and was afraid that it may appear as SPAM. However, my reply should indicate that it is not and that the contents of the website, that I am so excited about, is genuine. This is a multi-partner project, the website was put together with input from individuals of many different organizations (click on "meet the team" to see who). Never heard of Lakehead University? Check out Lakehead’s website www.lakeheadu.ca Finally, nowhere on the www.successfulaging.ca website are we or will we ask for money. To use the resources of the website you do not have to sign-up or leave your email. I to am aware of SPAM, which is why I refuse to leave my personal email in newsgroups. But rest assured, I will answer any email sent With the current resources, this is the only way to let people know about the website on a global scale. It is easy to criticize in a world of deceit, but one must be careful not to overgeneralize to those who are here for good intentions. Peter Brink, Thunder Bay, ON, Canada

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Why not learn how to post on newsgroups properly? Want to Feel Healthier? We are a multi-partnered project A whit? Since when have projects had "partners"? at Lakehead University in Thunder Bay ON, Canada. Never heard of it. Since when have academic project participants been posting anonymously and using hotmail addresses? Overseen by a team of researchers and health experts, we are dedicated to the prevention of disease and the promotion of health. Pull the other one! You’re a spammer, plain and simple, as nasty and money-grabbing as any other. Kindly go forth and procreate. — Alan Mackenzie (Munich, Germany) (like "aa"), remove half of them (leaving, say, "a").

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This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

Why not learn how to post on newsgroups properly? Want to Feel Healthier? We are a multi-partnered project

A whit? Since when have projects had "partners"? at Lakehead University in Thunder Bay ON, Canada.

Never heard of it. Since when have academic project participants been posting anonymously and using hotmail addresses? Overseen by a team of researchers and health experts, we are dedicated to the prevention of disease and the promotion of health.

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Theory about carbs and exercise

admin — Sun, 21 Sep 2003 00:00:00 +0000

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I’ve got a theory and was wondering if it’s true or if anyone else has thought about this before. You may rememember a few weeks ago, I said I noticed that I could eat many more carbs, since I started exercising — and still stay in ketosis. Well, here’s my theory…. Assuming: -My treadmill says I just burned 200 calories. -Carbs are used as fuel before anything else (except alcohol — but I had no alcohol.) -1 gram of carbs works out to 4 calories. -I just ate something with about 50 grams of carbs in it Then: Did I just burn ALL (50×4=200) of those carbs off? Is there something wrong in my logic? Is that not the way the body works? If this is true, then could I eat somthing with 100 grams of carbs and then work out and burn 400 calories and be done with it. I should do some experimenting… or has anyone else experimented with this? JM 231/194/204 (10lbs to go) Atkins since 22 May ‘03

I personally do not believe that carbs are immediately burnt. I think there may be a variety of uses for them, such as brain food, replacing glycogen, etc. Certainly burning all of them is possible. But, if this is true, why do I get a lift of mental energy when I take in some carbs during a bike ride? I don’t believe that I get that much of a physical impact, but there’s really no way for me to test this. I do feel better, which could be psychological. Plus, it depends on when the carbs go into your system — better is while exercising or before (in terms of being burnt). —

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Nothing wrong here. Calories are calories are calories. No magic or physics. Low carb, and carbs are sugars pure and simple, the fewer carbs you eat the fewer cals you will consume. Fat and protein make you less likely to binge or go crazy. Exercise is the key to ongoing weight loss and maintenance. I went from 158.5 to 131.5. Need to gain 3.5 pounds, and am pretty close. Here are my guidelines: -Fatty foods will increase your LDL – Calories count. Want to lose weight? Watch you cals. But carbos make you hungry, so watch you carbo intake. Less food = fewer cals. – replace your bad carbs with good ones. White bread to stone ground bread, white rice to brown rice, pasta to whole wheat pasta (and not the blends). -look to lose 1.5 to lbs/week. With diet and exercise you can do this. Now back to exercise, it is the key.. Rich

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I’ve got a theory and was wondering if it’s true or if anyone else has thought about this before. You may rememember a few weeks ago, I said I noticed that I could eat many more carbs, since I started exercising — and still stay in ketosis. Well, here’s my theory…. Assuming: -My treadmill says I just burned 200 calories. -Carbs are used as fuel before anything else (except alcohol — but I had no alcohol.) -1 gram of carbs works out to 4 calories. -I just ate something with about 50 grams of carbs in it Then: Did I just burn ALL (50×4=200) of those carbs off? Is there something wrong in my logic? Is that not the way the body works? If this is true, then could I eat somthing with 100 grams of carbs and then work out and burn 400 calories and be done with it. I should do some experimenting… or has anyone else experimented with this? JM 231/194/204 (10lbs to go) Atkins since 22 May ‘03

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Hi, I’ve got a theory and was wondering if it’s true or if anyone else has thought about this before. You may rememember a few weeks ago, I said I noticed that I could eat many more carbs, since I started exercising — and still stay in ketosis. Well, here’s my theory…. Assuming: -My treadmill says I just burned 200 calories. -Carbs are used as fuel before anything else (except alcohol — but I had no alcohol.) -1 gram of carbs works out to 4 calories. -I just ate something with about 50 grams of carbs in it Then: Did I just burn ALL (50×4=200) of those carbs off? Is there something wrong in my logic? Is that not the way the body works? If this is true, then could I eat somthing with 100 grams of carbs and then work out and burn 400 calories and be done with it. I should do some experimenting… or has anyone else experimented with this? JM 231/194/204 (10lbs to go) Atkins since 22 May ‘03

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Exercise is the key to ongoing weight loss and maintenance.

The key to weight loss and maintenance is reduced consumption. Period.

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Consider that carbs won’t immediately put you out of ketosis. You need to add about 100g of carbs to your liver glycogen store to drop out of ketosis, but at the same time you’re replenishing muscle glycogen (exercise may deplete muscle glycogen, giving you a larger "carb sink" on average), powering ongoing activity, etc etc. It’s not just a simple "eat carbs, drop out of ketosis." So, while exercise may use up carbs (it depends on the exercise – light enough exercise may only burn fat), it also sets up your body to be able to absorb more carbs later. Additionally, routine exercise may increase your base metabolism, allowing other parts of your body to burn carbs faster too.

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I don’t think that is exactly right. They will be burned as fuel first, if there is a demand for them. I think what happens (for a person who exercises a lot) is that the capacity for storing glycogen is active. Everytimne you exercise hard, you burn out your glycogen. When you eat carbs right after exercising hard, or during, or perhaps even before, the carbs are used to refill the glycogen in your muscles. That glycogen won’t be burned first unless you put a load on the system, ie hard exercise. Otherwise, the body happily continues to get energy direct from food in the system or from fat, because you aren’t demanding a lot. -1 gram of carbs works out to 4 calories. -I just ate something with about 50 grams of carbs in it Then: Did I just burn ALL (50×4=200) of those carbs off? Is there something wrong in my logic? Is that not the way the body works? If this is true, then could I eat somthing with 100 grams of carbs and then work out and burn 400 calories and be done with it. I should do some experimenting… or has anyone else experimented with this?

I think you are right. martin — Wesley Clark for President www.AmericansForClark.com Martin Smith

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Exercise is the key to ongoing weight loss and maintenance.

No it’s not.

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Jim, The calorie counts on the machines bear no relation to reality. I’ve found this to be true for myself when logging food and exercise very closely and have read the same thing in several books including Dr. Bernstein’s latest "Diabetes Solution." You’ll have to log what you eat and how much exercise you do (and what the machine says) for a fw months to determine how the calorie counts on the machines match up with how your weight loss proceeds. For me the reality of calories burned is about half what the machine shows, if that. — Jenny 168.5/137 Low Carb 9/1998 – 8/2001 and 11/10/02 – Now http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero * NEW! Do Starch Blockers Work?

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Yes it is. Lazy people cuts their cals and their carbs, and lose some weight. It never stays off, just look at the research. You must move your body a few hours a week. Break a sweat, watch your diet, and you will stay thin. Rich R.

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