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writes: Marilyn –  What I’me saying is that I experience feelings of low Blood Sugar from Humalog at lower BS levels than I do from  Ultralente. In other words, insulin reactions from H are first noticed at a lower BS level than they are from U.  The 100 test I mention is rare yet it has happened. I just want to know if others have similar experiences. My average test is 115 +/- .

I think before you can equate these differences to the type of insulin you should do a bunch of tracking and logging.  I’ve wouldn’t even dare to venture a guess as to how many lows I have had over the last 33 years but I would guarentee that no two are the same as far as symptoms or feelings.  For me it has to do with how quickly I am dropping or how far I have dropped, if it is due to too much activity, too much insulin,  or some other situation.  It also depends if I am on an airplane, sittling at my desk or riding a bicycle.  Oh yes, what I may have eatten recently makes a difference as does the time of day. I can sit at my desk and not feel a low until I am in the 30s or 40s yet I wake up with a bg of 55 obviously hypo. I’m glad that you are able to maintain the breat bgs!! Marilyn T1 for 33 years, pumping for the last 11

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I got an email from globalway.net explaining how it is simply a lack of mierals causing not only diabetes but about 30-40 other maladies that affect mankind. I geuss that means though I am a type 1 diabetic for 10 years and my body is not producing much insulin, if I take this BS concoction that this spammer sent me, my diabetes will disappear, my weight will magically become perfect, etc. This kind of crap should be illegal to transmit! I know minerals are needed BUT they are not a cure all. I worry about the less sopsisticated readers who believe this.

        Not if they stick around this group.  There is a large number of posters in this group with very sensitive B.S. detection antannae who respond strongly to its presence here.  Down with Noni Juice and the anti-aspartame quackpots!  Fortunately, the debate remains open and informative on the value of chromium supplements.

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Dick You can also feel a low type of symptom if your bg suddenly drops. Stanely Mirskey suggests even from 400 [22 mmol/l] down to 200 [11 mmol/l] can cause symptoms. He talks about levels of 40 [2.2 mmol/l] and 50 [2.8 mmol/l]. I can say that I’ve certainly had symptoms at 63 [3.5 mmol/l] although sometimes I’ve gone down to 50 [2.8 mmol/l] without much other than a little more alert than usual. YMMV In "Controlling Diabetes The Easy Way" he writes "For an insulin dependent diabetic, the possibility of a reaction begins when blood sugar falls below 40 or 50 mgs percent. Or when sugar makes a sudden nose dive, even if it goes from 400 to 200 mgs percent. The exact level as well as the symptoms vary for everyone." Some years ago, my bgs after breakfast used to rise from about 117 [6.5] to about 243 [13.5] and some time latter dropped suddenly to about 176  [9.8] and then would slowly rise again (say to 207 [11.5]) for a while and then slowly drop (more or less) during the rest of the day. This used to happen at almost precisely 10:45 am each and every day and symptoms lasted about 5 minutes. I found this correlation by taking 15 minute samples intervals at around this time for a few days. Regards Jeff PS I also agree very much with the other posts I read about the how low depends a lot on your recent bg history. The lower your bgs have been the lower you need to go before symptoms "normally" appear. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Low blood sugar feelings occur at much lower test readings with Humalog than with Ultralente. My endo say’s i’me wrong on this but when I feel a low at a reading of 100 or more, 6 hours after taking any humlog I question what he say’s. Any comments? Dick Price Type 1/2 Humalog and Ultralente

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   My endo say’s i’me wrong on this but when I feel a low at a reading    of 100 or more, 6 hours after taking any humlog I question what he    say’s. Any comments? Most of the studies I’ve seen, and all of the personal stories I’ve heard, suggest that Humalog gives BETTER hypo awareness than "Human" insulins do (Humalog is *NOT* Human) some even suggest it’s slightly better than pork But not as good as Beef Now some of this may be placebo effect as "Human" is different from Human (real stuff produced by human) by… Nothing In addition to the number of chains that are different (See above) there are impurities that come with all insulins….. (Even the human ones) Novo was selling a super highly purified pork insulin. (Very few impurities) and the reports I got about it were that it gave hypo symptoms which were nearly as lacking as "Human" insulins.  This leads me to think that the impurities are the key to awareness not the chemical structure of the insulin. Researches have found that giving a subject suffering from unawareness some C-Peptides (A co-product of NATURAL insulin production, but not of Lilly and Novo’s labs) does increase awareness.  As always in this field MORE STUDIES are needed. However. since Diabetes is a YMMV condition… I won’t rule out that your awareness level might be worse with "H" than "R" Though, as noted, Most of the studies I’ve seen blame the "U" not the "H"    Note I am not a doctor, I don’t even play one on television "Nothing adds excitement like something that is none of your business" Using a Java script enabled browser go to:  http://go.compuserve.com/diabetes Also visit http://members.tripod.com/diabetics_world/ for still more info. You’ve been leading a dog’s life. Stay off the furniture. Net-Tamer V 1.12 Beta – Registered

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the floor…. your number would be 72

I’m not really sure what you are saying, but a person is not "low" when they are 100.   Low is anything below, say, 72 (your 4).  If someone feels "low" at 100 then chances are their bgs may be running too high overall and their body is thinking a normal reading is low.  I think I better read the original post <g Marilyn T1 for 33 years, pumping for the last 11

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – the floor…. your number would be 72 I’m not really sure what you are saying, but a person is not "low" when they are 100.   Low is anything below, say, 72 (your 4).  If someone feels "low" at 100 then chances are their bgs may be running too high overall and their body is thinking a normal reading is low.  I think I better read the original post <g Marilyn T1 for 33 years, pumping for the last 11

Marilyn –  What I’me saying is that I experience feelings of low Blood Sugar from Humalog at lower BS levels than I do from  Ultralente. In other words, insulin reactions from H are first noticed at a lower BS level than they are from U.  The 100 test I mention is rare yet it has happened. I just want to know if others have similar experiences. My average test is 115 +/- . Dick

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the floor…. your number would be 72 Humalog is very intense, but of short duration……. so anything after 4 hours from your Humalog shot is probably coming from the Ultralente……. as the Humalog works really quickly, you may feel the Humalog low more noticeably than the Ultralente low…… the Ultralente low should be slower in action than the Humalog low…… of course this will depend on the hours after your Humalog and see if you are going low then, and not noticing it, and then the Ultralente kicks in, and you "really" notice it….. ps…. let me know what you find…… i am switching from N to UL! thanks — k t1 13 yrs now sending as Tiger Lily – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Low blood sugar feelings occur at much lower test readings with Humalog than with Ultralente. My endo say’s i’me wrong on this but when I feel a low at a reading of 100 or more, 6 hours after taking any humlog I question what he say’s. Any comments? Dick Price Type 1/2 Humalog and Ultralente

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Low blood sugar feelings occur at much lower test readings with Humalog than with Ultralente. My endo say’s i’me wrong on this but when I feel a low at a reading of 100 or more, 6 hours after taking any humlog I question what he say’s. Any comments? Dick Price Type 1/2 Humalog and Ultralente

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – is the floor…. your number would be 72 Humalog is very intense, but of short duration……. so anything after 4 hours from your Humalog shot is probably coming from the Ultralente……. as the Humalog works really quickly, you may feel the Humalog low more noticeably than the Ultralente low…… the Ultralente low should be slower in action than the Humalog low…… of course this will depend on the hours after your Humalog and see if you are going low then, and not noticing it, and then the Ultralente kicks in, and you "really" notice it….. ps…. let me know what you find…… i am switching from N to UL! thanks — k t1 13 yrs now sending as Tiger Lily Low blood sugar feelings occur at much lower test readings with Humalog than with Ultralente. My endo say’s i’me wrong on this but when I feel a low at a reading of 100 or more, 6 hours after taking any humlog I question what he say’s. Any comments? Dick Price Type 1/2 Humalog and Ultralente

Oh Boy, We can finally stop all medication and research in diabetes!! I got an email from globalway.net explaining how it is simply a lack of mierals causing not only diabetes but about 30-40 other maladies that affect mankind. I geuss that means though I am a type 1 diabetic for 10 years and my body is not producing much insulin, if I take this BS concoction that this spammer sent me, my diabetes will disappear, my weight will magically become perfect, etc. This kind of crap should be illegal to transmit! I know minerals are needed BUT they are not a cure all. I worry about the less sopsisticated readers who believe this. rbab

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