Categories: Diabetes Diet

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July 30 2002 – 172lbs June 03 2003 – 155lbs June 21 2003 – 150lbs DMax

dmax, whatever you have found, its working for you! learning to CUSTOMIZE our WOE is "the trick" i believe to finding a eating plan that can be lifelong!

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ATKINS is NOT the only way to eat LOW CARB. there are many plans that will include  fruit!

Neanderthin  is one of  them.  :-) Ms. J (Hamilton, Ontario)

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Ok, I have been on induction almost 2 weeks. Then I decided that this would not work for me any longer as I need fruits in my system since I do not, and will never, have a habit of eating enough veggies.

Whatever works for  you.  You’ll probably want to switch to alt.support.diet though, which is support for all types of diets.  People here will mostly be able to give advice just for the low-carb way of eating. Last time I checked in at alt.support.diet though, there weren’t many people there.  Everybody’s found that low carb works best and they’re all here now … Peter http://users.thelink.net/marengo

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ATKINS is NOT the only way to eat LOW CARB. there are many plans that will include  fruit! — read and post daily, it works! rosie If you keep saying things are going to be bad, you have a good chance of being a prophet. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok, I have been on induction almost 2 weeks. Then I decided that this would not work for me any longer as I need fruits in my system since I do not, and will never, have a habit of eating enough veggies. They stink real bad, with lemon juice and oil or not. No pasta, bread, rice, etc is perfectly okay but I need my cherries, berries, oranges. So this morning I officially got off Atkins. I prepared 2 small Kellogg’s waffles, one topped with pure peanut butter, the other with honey. Halfway through that, I felt horrifyingly dizzy. Must be the sugar/carbo rush? Geesh. Now I am automatically inclined to get off carbo, whether for the sake of Atkin’s or not. I haven’t felt this sick in a while. Any comments or experiences? Am I in danger of putting back on again? DMax

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It sounds like your body is used to lower carbs, and is rebelling.  There are lots of reduced-carb plans out there.  Atkins isn’t the only one.  I know that Suzanne Somers’ plan allows fruits.  Might be worth checking some of the less strict reduced-carb plans. Carol – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Ok, I have been on induction almost 2 weeks. Then I decided that this would not work for me any longer as I need fruits in my system since I do not, and will never, have a habit of eating enough veggies. They stink real bad, with lemon juice and oil or not. No pasta, bread, rice, etc is perfectly okay but I need my cherries, berries, oranges. So this morning I officially got off Atkins. I prepared 2 small Kellogg’s waffles, one topped with pure peanut butter, the other with honey. Halfway through that, I felt horrifyingly dizzy. Must be the sugar/carbo rush? Geesh. Now I am automatically inclined to get off carbo, whether for the sake of Atkin’s or not. I haven’t felt this sick in a while. Any comments or experiences? Am I in danger of putting back on again? DMax

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok, I have been on induction almost 2 weeks. Then I decided that this would not work for me any longer as I need fruits in my system since I do not, and will never, have a habit of eating enough veggies. They stink real bad, with lemon juice and oil or not. No pasta, bread, rice, etc is perfectly okay but I need my cherries, berries, oranges. So this morning I officially got off Atkins. I prepared 2 small Kellogg’s waffles, one topped with pure peanut butter, the other with honey. Halfway through that, I felt horrifyingly dizzy. Must be the sugar/carbo rush? Geesh. Now I am automatically inclined to get off carbo, whether for the sake of Atkin’s or not. I haven’t felt this sick in a while. Any comments or experiences? Am I in danger of putting back on again?

My daughter is on the Zone diet, too much fruit for me though as a diabetic.  Or you could add a few more carbs without going totally overboard, still watch the calories.  I found Atkins just a bit strict for me – even though I lost 12 kgs in the first month –  but have to watch the carbs because of the diabetes – I do around 7 gr carb for breakfast (when diabetics are most carb sensitive), about 15 gr max for the other main meals and some snacks have less than 10 gr carb or sometimes zero carb.

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Hi Bridget, Thanks for the advice. I actually would have had fruits if only I had any at home! So I thought I would finish up the last frozen waffles for breakfast, then ride out to the market to get some fresh fruit and tomatoes. Unfortunately, with the dizzy spell – my first time ever – I decided not to be on the road. I am actually quite happy that I am not craving for carbs like I used to. Occasionally I do feel like having a slice of pizza or some chinese noodles, but the temptation doesn’t consume my thoughts. I think I have started putting back on! Whatever it is, prior to Atkins, I had lost about 15 lbs in 10 months from exercise and eating right. Through Atkins I lost a further 7 lbs in 2 weeks. Even then, I think I am reverting to my exercises, and eating right (fruits, sugar free) as a sustainable health program. With maybe a little difference: much less carbs except from fruits. July 30 2002 – 172lbs June 03 2003 – 155lbs June 21 2003 – 150lbs DMax

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok, I have been on induction almost 2 weeks. Then I decided that this would not work for me any longer as I need fruits in my system since I do not, and will never, have a habit of eating enough veggies. So this morning I officially got off Atkins. I prepared 2 small Kellogg’s waffles, one topped with pure peanut butter, the other with honey. Two things. You wanted fruit, and ate honey and waffles. So that leads me to think maybe you just wanted carbs, and your body was tricking you into thinking it was fruit you couldn’t wait a few months for. Halfway through that, I felt horrifyingly dizzy. Must be the sugar/carbo rush? Yes, this happened to me the first time I ate sugar after low carbing. Scary. Then I fell asleep for a couple days. The doctor said I was didn’t need to worry about it. He said this was a symptom of my diabetes, and that we would monitor my progress, which we are doing. Low Carb has helped me control my diabetes very well without medication. This is not to say you have diabetes, by the way. It’s probably worth mentioning the incident to your doctor the next time you go. Am I in danger of putting back on again? Yes. Almost all the weight you initially lost is bound to come back if you go back to what you were doing before. Have you read the Schwarzbein Principle? That diet allows some fruit and other choices that you might find more suited to your lifestyle and preferences. Do remember that on Atkins, you’ll be adding back fruit during OWL. In fact, berries are some of the first fruits to add in. Induction does not have to last longer than two weeks. You could be adding fruit to your plan before you even reach your goal weight. You don’t have to go off plan to have fruit on Atkins. (snipped mid-sentence) I do not, and will never, have a habit of eating enough veggies. Define enough. How many vegetables are enough for you to feel well and be happy. I don’t see any reason you are required have any at all. Works for some groups of people. If vegetarians can do without meat, I don’t see why anyone else couldn’t do without vegetables. What’s the difference? Especially in this day and age of vitamin pills. My husband is fond of saying he prefers his vegetables processed through a cow, as meat. .. Bridget M. Atkins maintenance for life.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok, I have been on induction almost 2 weeks. Then I decided that this would not work for me any longer as I need fruits in my system since I do not, and will never, have a habit of eating enough veggies. They stink real bad, with lemon juice and oil or not. No pasta, bread, rice, etc is perfectly okay but I need my cherries, berries, oranges. So this morning I officially got off Atkins. I prepared 2 small Kellogg’s waffles, one topped with pure peanut butter, the other with honey. Halfway through that, I felt horrifyingly dizzy. Must be the sugar/carbo rush? Geesh. Now I am automatically inclined to get off carbo, whether for the sake of Atkin’s or not. I haven’t felt this sick in a while. Any comments or experiences? Am I in danger of putting back on again? DMax

How is eating the fruit you feel you need the same as eating waffles with honey? Sounds like your fruit "requirement" is a rationalization for eating waffles. BTW, there are several LC plans that allow for fruit and higher carb levels, but what you really need is to be honest. That’s where it starts. — Wayne Crannell Atkins+ 10/27/01 250/140

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Sounds like you had a big old insulin rush… Sucks doesn’t it? Eat your fruit. Just count your carbs and try to keep the number around 100. Maybe you should try Michel Montingac or the others jodie suggested. You may be looking for a low glycemic diet not nec. a low carb, especially considering that insulin spike you got. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok, I have been on induction almost 2 weeks. Then I decided that this would not work for me any longer as I need fruits in my system since I do not, and will never, have a habit of eating enough veggies. They stink real bad, with lemon juice and oil or not. No pasta, bread, rice, etc is perfectly okay but I need my cherries, berries, oranges. So this morning I officially got off Atkins. I prepared 2 small Kellogg’s waffles, one topped with pure peanut butter, the other with honey. Halfway through that, I felt horrifyingly dizzy. Must be the sugar/carbo rush? Geesh. Now I am automatically inclined to get off carbo, whether for the sake of Atkin’s or not. I haven’t felt this sick in a while. Any comments or experiences? Am I in danger of putting back on again? DMax

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Ok, I have been on induction almost 2 weeks. Then I decided that this would not work for me any longer as I need fruits in my system since I do not, and will never, have a habit of eating enough veggies. So this morning I officially got off Atkins. I prepared 2 small Kellogg’s waffles, one topped with pure peanut butter, the other with honey.

Two things. You wanted fruit, and ate honey and waffles. So that leads me to think maybe you just wanted carbs, and your body was tricking you into thinking it was fruit you couldn’t wait a few months for. Halfway through that, I felt horrifyingly dizzy. Must be the sugar/carbo rush?

Yes, this happened to me the first time I ate sugar after low carbing. Scary. Then I fell asleep for a couple days. The doctor said I was didn’t need to worry about it. He said this was a symptom of my diabetes, and that we would monitor my progress, which we are doing. Low Carb has helped me control my diabetes very well without medication. This is not to say you have diabetes, by the way. It’s probably worth mentioning the incident to your doctor the next time you go. Am I in danger of putting back on again?

Yes. Almost all the weight you initially lost is bound to come back if you go back to what you were doing before. Have you read the Schwarzbein Principle? That diet allows some fruit and other choices that you might find more suited to your lifestyle and preferences. Do remember that on Atkins, you’ll be adding back fruit during OWL. In fact, berries are some of the first fruits to add in. Induction does not have to last longer than two weeks. You could be adding fruit to your plan before you even reach your goal weight. You don’t have to go off plan to have fruit on Atkins. (snipped mid-sentence) I do not, and will never, have a habit of eating enough veggies.

Define enough. How many vegetables are enough for you to feel well and be happy. I don’t see any reason you are required have any at all. Works for some groups of people. If vegetarians can do without meat, I don’t see why anyone else couldn’t do without vegetables. What’s the difference? Especially in this day and age of vitamin pills. My husband is fond of saying he prefers his vegetables processed through a cow, as meat. .. Bridget M. Atkins maintenance for life.

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Ok, I have been on induction almost 2 weeks. Then I decided that this would not work for me any longer as I need fruits in my system since I do not, and will never, have a habit of eating enough veggies. They stink real bad, with lemon juice and oil or not. No pasta, bread, rice, etc is perfectly okay but I need my cherries, berries, oranges. So this morning I officially got off Atkins. I prepared 2 small Kellogg’s waffles, one topped with pure peanut butter, the other with honey. Halfway through that, I felt horrifyingly dizzy. Must be the sugar/carbo rush? Geesh. Now I am automatically inclined to get off carbo, whether for the sake of Atkin’s or not. I haven’t felt this sick in a while. Any comments or experiences? Am I in danger of putting back on again? DMax

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Why don’t you look into Sugarbusters or the Go-Diet or Somersizing or something like that.  Just because you are doing low carb doesn’t mean you can’t have fruits.  There are plans much more liberal then Atkins that are still low carb and you can still lose weight on nicely. Jodee

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Ok, I have been talking to the doctor for a long time now about extremely high pre meal glucose readings, followed by extreme hypo within 1 hour of injection and meal. I have been told this can’t happen. I was also told I must inject more insulin because of the hi pre-meal readings. Surely this was caused by having to eat loads of sugar to prevent passing out due to hypo? Eventually I stopped Humalog and started using Actrapid instead after a long discussion with my doctor. Result is the hypo’s have stopped so now I can start increasing the dose to get better pre-meal readings, and post meal. I battled for a couple of months to get off Humalog, so my kidney specialist suggested novorapid (Novolog) instead of the actrapid I switched to, isn’t this very similar to Humalog? At least I don’t have to listen to him about the diabetes. I must say that I find the Lilly pen far better than the Novo Nordisk pen, shame about the insulin. Now I just have to get a proper basal, protaphane is no use for this and the doctor refuses to let me change. Regards, Sid. mwillia at mweb dot co dot za (looking forward to lower Hba1c)

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Sid, all I can recommend is do a bit of research on the various basal insulin’s (how long they last etc). I was on Humulin Isophane combined with Humalog but I suffered a hell of a lot of high readings before bedtime and suffered lots of nocturnal hypos. I changed back to my previous basal (Human Ultratard) a couple of months ago, after persuading my doctor that Isophane was not working for me, and so far I’m back to near normal BG’s. Have a look at http://www.yorkshirediabetes.com/treatment/ and look at the long acting insulins to discuss with your doctor and to research yourself. Phil — Type 1, dx Nov91. Control Humalog & Human Ultratard.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok, I have been talking to the doctor for a long time now about extremely high pre meal glucose readings, followed by extreme hypo within 1 hour of injection and meal. I have been told this can’t happen. I was also told I must inject more insulin because of the hi pre-meal readings. Surely this was caused by having to eat loads of sugar to prevent passing out due to hypo? Eventually I stopped Humalog and started using Actrapid instead after a long discussion with my doctor. Result is the hypo’s have stopped so now I can start increasing the dose to get better pre-meal readings, and post meal. I battled for a couple of months to get off Humalog, so my kidney specialist suggested novorapid (Novolog) instead of the actrapid I switched to, isn’t this very similar to Humalog? At least I don’t have to listen to him about the diabetes. I must say that I find the Lilly pen far better than the Novo Nordisk pen, shame about the insulin. Now I just have to get a proper basal, protaphane is no use for this and the doctor refuses to let me change. Regards, Sid. mwillia at mweb dot co dot za (looking forward to lower Hba1c)

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Ok, I have been talking to the doctor for a long time now about extremely high pre meal glucose readings, followed by extreme hypo within 1 hour of injection and meal. I have been told this can’t happen. I was also told I must inject more insulin because of the hi pre-meal readings. Surely this was caused by having to eat loads of sugar to prevent passing out due to hypo? Eventually I stopped Humalog and started using Actrapid instead after a long discussion with my doctor. Result is the hypo’s have stopped so now I can start increasing the dose to get better pre-meal readings, and post meal. I battled for a couple of months to get off Humalog, so my kidney specialist suggested novorapid (Novolog) instead of the actrapid I switched to, isn’t this very similar to Humalog? At least I don’t have to listen to him about the diabetes.

Hi Sid, I originally started on Actrapid (and Monotard), two injections a day. Unless it’s changed radically you’ll need to watch out after meals because Actrapid works for longer than Humalog. I think Humalog starts working 30 minutes after injection and works for about 2 1/2 to 3 hours then gives up, while for Actrapid it’s more like onset in one hour and duration is four or five hours. I do know I used to have to eat a mid-morning, mid afternoon and evening snack to ensure that I didn’t go hypo. Novorapid is very similar to Humalog, but I have no ideas about the onset and duration periods for it. I wonder if this information is available anywhere on the web? I’ll have to go have a look. Good luck,  |/| — | IDD: 4 Feb 1976    Driving lic: Feb 1984    Motorbike lic: Sept 1993 | |   Bungee jump: 1992    Parachute jump: 1995    OW Diver: July 2002   |

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok, I have been talking to the doctor for a long time now about extremely high pre meal glucose readings, followed by extreme hypo within 1 hour of injection and meal. I have been told this can’t happen. I was also told I must inject more insulin because of the hi pre-meal readings. Surely this was caused by having to eat loads of sugar to prevent passing out due to hypo? Eventually I stopped Humalog and started using Actrapid instead after a long discussion with my doctor. Result is the hypo’s have stopped so now I can start increasing the dose to get better pre-meal readings, and post meal. I battled for a couple of months to get off Humalog, so my kidney specialist suggested novorapid (Novolog) instead of the actrapid I switched to, isn’t this very similar to Humalog? At least I don’t have to listen to him about the diabetes. Hi Sid, I originally started on Actrapid (and Monotard), two injections a day. Unless it’s changed radically you’ll need to watch out after meals because Actrapid works for longer than Humalog. I think Humalog starts working 30 minutes after injection and works for about 2 1/2 to 3 hours then gives up, while for Actrapid it’s more like onset in one hour and duration is four or five hours. I do know I used to have to eat a mid-morning, mid afternoon and evening snack to ensure that I didn’t go hypo. Novorapid is very similar to Humalog, but I have no ideas about the onset and duration periods for it. I wonder if this information is available anywhere on the web? I’ll have to go have a look.

Hi Martin, The actrapid is not new o me, before the pre-mix I was also on 2 actrapid/ monotard mix shots. Thanks for the heads up though. The other thing is the slower onset than Humalog so it is at least 30 mins before meal when I inject, with humalog, If the food was not on the table it was not safe for me to inject. With the better more predictable action though, I am happy with this. I found some activity curves, novolog and novorapid are the same thing and very similar to humalog. Novorapid is the name used in South Africa and some other countries. Regards, Sid. mwillia at mweb dot co dot za

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Sid posted this… I found some activity curves, novolog and novorapid are the same thing and very similar to humalog. Novorapid is the name used in South Africa and some other countries.

http://www.novonordisk.co.uk/view.asp?ID=57 Some links there (.pdf files) of the NovoNordisk short-acting insulins. Ratty — A BTOpenworld Asylum Seeker ratty at flyingrat dot net

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Sid posted this… I found some activity curves, novolog and novorapid are the same thing and very similar to humalog. Novorapid is the name used in South Africa and some other countries. http://www.novonordisk.co.uk/view.asp?ID=57 Some links there (.pdf files) of the NovoNordisk short-acting insulins. Ratty — A BTOpenworld Asylum Seeker ratty at flyingrat dot net

Hi, In addition to Ratty`s link there is the following about Lilly`s http://www.lillydiabetes.com/Products/TimeActivityProfiles.cfm I suppose your doc, who sounds a bit pig-ignorant from what you say, mught take some notice if you print these out and stick them up his nostrils. I am a bit pig-ignorant too lol — Al, Melton Mowbray, uk, LADA dx Jan97 Control basal/Beef lente bolus/Novorapid I am NOT a doctor! But I DO care.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sid posted this… I found some activity curves, novolog and novorapid are the same thing and very similar to humalog. Novorapid is the name used in South Africa and some other countries. http://www.novonordisk.co.uk/view.asp?ID=57 Some links there (.pdf files) of the NovoNordisk short-acting insulins. Ratty — A BTOpenworld Asylum Seeker ratty at flyingrat dot net Hi, In addition to Ratty`s link there is the following about Lilly`s http://www.lillydiabetes.com/Products/TimeActivityProfiles.cfm I suppose your doc, who sounds a bit pig-ignorant from what you say, mught take some notice if you print these out and stick them up his nostrils.

Not pig ignorant but too arrogant to listen to the patient "I have treated diabetes for over 20 years and I know more than you, that can’t happen". The problem I have is that the kidney specialist keeps pestering me and making suggestions which contradict (in some cases) what the diabetes specialist says. Also my DSN local equivalent was unwilling to try anything except change by a couple of units here and there, certainly not change the insulin type. It was not possible to change this any other way because of the crap medical aid company rules. I could get a prescription from another doctor but as insulin is "chronic" medication, the medical aid company won’t pay for it unless it is approved as a medication on a per patient basis and with a repeat prescription for 6 months, this is a real pain to go through as it can take a month to get approval and as soon as you do, the old insulin is no longer approved. The doctor actually has the Novo activity curves on his office wall, they prefer not to use Lilly except for humalog, not too sure why but Novo sponsored setting up the pharmacy in this establishment. Regards, Sid. mwillia at mweb dot co dot za

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sid posted this… I found some activity curves, novolog and novorapid are the same thing and very similar to humalog. Novorapid is the name used in South Africa and some other countries. http://www.novonordisk.co.uk/view.asp?ID=57 Some links there (.pdf files) of the NovoNordisk short-acting insulins. Ratty — A BTOpenworld Asylum Seeker ratty at flyingrat dot net Hi, In addition to Ratty`s link there is the following about Lilly`s http://www.lillydiabetes.com/Products/TimeActivityProfiles.cfm I suppose your doc, who sounds a bit pig-ignorant from what you say, mught take some notice if you print these out and stick them up his nostrils. Not pig ignorant but too arrogant to listen to the patient "I have treated diabetes for over 20 years and I know more than you, that can’t happen". The problem I have is that the kidney specialist keeps pestering me and making suggestions which contradict (in some cases) what the diabetes specialist says. Also my DSN local equivalent was unwilling to try anything except change by a couple of units here and there, certainly not change the insulin type. It was not possible to change this any other way because of the crap medical aid company rules. I could get a prescription from another doctor but as insulin is "chronic" medication, the medical aid company won’t pay for it unless it is approved as a medication on a per patient basis and with a repeat prescription for 6 months, this is a real pain to go through as it can take a month to get approval and as soon as you do, the old insulin is no longer approved. The doctor actually has the Novo activity curves on his office wall, they prefer not to use Lilly except for humalog, not too sure why but Novo sponsored setting up the pharmacy in this establishment. Regards, Sid. mwillia at mweb dot co dot za

I don`t know the import laws in Sarf Africka, but at least in France you can buy insulin without a scrip. OldAl has more info on that, perhaps he will help, but it could be expensive, I suppose. Perhaps worth a try, after all, what price your health? — Al, Melton Mowbray, uk, LADA dx Jan97 Control basal/Beef lente bolus/Novorapid I am NOT a doctor! But I DO care.

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Hello This is my first time posting on this newsgroup. I have been a Diabetic for some time and currently use a normal book to record my BM’s. Just recently I have purchased a PDA (pocket PC) and I am looking for some software that will run on that to record my BM’s Could anyone please help??? Regards Andy K

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Hello This is my first time posting on this newsgroup. I have been a Diabetic for some time and currently use a normal book to record my BM’s. Just recently I have purchased a PDA (pocket PC) and I am looking for some software that will run on that to record my BM’s Could anyone please help???

What type of PDA? I use Accu-Chek Pocket Compass on my Palm Pilot. It can upload directly from my Accu-Chek Active meter over an Infra-Red link. I don’t know if it is available for Pocket PC and I think that it is only available in the USA. I know that it’s not available here in Australia – I had to get a friend in the states to order it and mail it to me. I’ve had a look at a couple of packages that I downloaded from www.palmgear.com. Both had individual features that were much better than Pocket Compass’ implementation, but neither had everything, so I’m kinda stuck with Pocket Compass until I can get some time to write something better myself – or until somebody else does :) If it wasn’t for the IR link to my Accu-Chek Active, I wouldn’t use Pocket Compass in a pink fit. It’s database management is complete rubbish. Cheers, John Carney.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello This is my first time posting on this newsgroup. I have been a Diabetic for some time and currently use a normal book to record my BM’s. Just recently I have purchased a PDA (pocket PC) and I am looking for some software that will run on that to record my BM’s Could anyone please help??? What type of PDA? I use Accu-Chek Pocket Compass on my Palm Pilot. It can upload directly from my Accu-Chek Active meter over an Infra-Red link. I don’t know if it is available for Pocket PC and I think that it is only available in the USA. I know that it’s not available here in Australia – I had to get a friend in the states to order it and mail it to me. I’ve had a look at a couple of packages that I downloaded from www.palmgear.com. Both had individual features that were much better than Pocket Compass’ implementation, but neither had everything, so I’m kinda stuck with Pocket Compass until I can get some time to write something better myself – or until somebody else does :) If it wasn’t for the IR link to my Accu-Chek Active, I wouldn’t use Pocket Compass in a pink fit. It’s database management is complete rubbish. Cheers, John Carney.

Thanks for that info. I’m actually using an O2 XDA (mobile company’s own brand PDA- Uses Pocket PC 2002 and a Strong-ARM processor). The PDA does have an Ir-DA link but my meter (GlucoTrend II from Roche does not, and as far as I’m aware the UK market has no meter’s with Ir-DA capability which is a shame. I guess I’m in the same boat of staying with what I have (paper + pen) or looking at putting together some kind of package myself. Thanks again Andy Kaye

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Thanks for that info. I’m actually using an O2 XDA (mobile company’s own brand PDA- Uses Pocket PC 2002 and a Strong-ARM processor). The PDA does have an Ir-DA link but my meter (GlucoTrend II from Roche does not, and as far as I’m aware the UK market has no meter’s with Ir-DA capability which is a shame. I guess I’m in the same boat of staying with what I have (paper + pen) or looking at putting together some kind of package myself.

Had a quick look. Doesn’t look there’s anything availble for Pocket PC. Sorry mate. Cheers, John Carney.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello This is my first time posting on this newsgroup. I have been a Diabetic for some time and currently use a normal book to record my BM’s. Just recently I have purchased a PDA (pocket PC) and I am looking for some software that will run on that to record my BM’s Could anyone please help??? What type of PDA? I use Accu-Chek Pocket Compass on my Palm Pilot. It can upload directly from my Accu-Chek Active meter over an Infra-Red link. I don’t know if it is available for Pocket PC and I think that it is only available in the USA. I know that it’s not available here in Australia – I had to get a friend in the states to order it and mail it to me. I’ve had a look at a couple of packages that I downloaded from www.palmgear.com. Both had individual features that were much better than Pocket Compass’ implementation, but neither had everything, so I’m kinda stuck with Pocket Compass until I can get some time to write something better myself – or until somebody else does :) If it wasn’t for the IR link to my Accu-Chek Active, I wouldn’t use Pocket Compass in a pink fit. It’s database management is complete rubbish. Cheers, John Carney. Thanks for that info. I’m actually using an O2 XDA (mobile company’s own brand PDA- Uses Pocket PC 2002 and a Strong-ARM processor). The PDA does have an Ir-DA link but my meter (GlucoTrend II from Roche does not, and as far as I’m aware the UK market has no meter’s with Ir-DA capability which is a shame. I guess I’m in the same boat of staying with what I have (paper + pen) or looking at putting together some kind of package myself. Thanks again Andy Kaye

Pocket PC If you go to Handango http://www.handango.com/PlatformSearch.jsp?siteId=1&jid=AB97XA35EX56B… X1D2272F24D3&optionId=1%5F2%5F2&txtSearch=diabetes&platformId=2 You will have to copy that lot into your browser, I ‘Diabetic Diary’ & ‘Diabetic Monitor’ both are available for the ARM and you can try before buy. Handango is a good site to search for Windows PDA software. For the Palm I can recommend ‘Diabetes Pilot’ you have to enter manually but it contains a database of gram content of foods that although American based so you have to use it with care but it is easier carried than a book and it is capable of giving a lot of other information if you are on insulin. Again you can try before you buy. — DaveT T1 since 1955 — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello This is my first time posting on this newsgroup. I have been a Diabetic for some time and currently use a normal book to record my BM’s. Just recently I have purchased a PDA (pocket PC) and I am looking for some software that will run on that to record my BM’s Could anyone please help??? What type of PDA? I use Accu-Chek Pocket Compass on my Palm Pilot. It can upload directly from my Accu-Chek Active meter over an Infra-Red link. I don’t know if it is available for Pocket PC and I think that it is only available in the USA. I know that it’s not available here in Australia – I had to get a friend in the states to order it and mail it to me. I’ve had a look at a couple of packages that I downloaded from www.palmgear.com. Both had individual features that were much better than Pocket Compass’ implementation, but neither had everything, so I’m kinda stuck with Pocket Compass until I can get some time to write something better myself – or until somebody else does :) If it wasn’t for the IR link to my Accu-Chek Active, I wouldn’t use Pocket Compass in a pink fit. It’s database management is complete rubbish. Cheers, John Carney. Thanks for that info. I’m actually using an O2 XDA (mobile company’s own brand PDA- Uses Pocket PC 2002 and a Strong-ARM processor). The PDA does have an Ir-DA link but my meter (GlucoTrend II from Roche does not, and as far as I’m aware the UK market has no meter’s with Ir-DA capability which is a shame. I guess I’m in the same boat of staying with what I have (paper + pen) or looking at putting together some kind of package myself. Thanks again Andy Kaye Pocket PC If you go to Handango

http://www.handango.com/PlatformSearch.jsp?siteId=1&jid=AB97XA35EX56B… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – X1D2272F24D3&optionId=1%5F2%5F2&txtSearch=diabetes&platformId=2 You will have to copy that lot into your browser, I ‘Diabetic Diary’ & ‘Diabetic Monitor’ both are available for the ARM and you can try before buy. Handango is a good site to search for Windows PDA software. For the Palm I can recommend ‘Diabetes Pilot’ you have to enter manually but it contains a database of gram content of foods that although American based so you have to use it with care but it is easier carried than a book and it is capable of giving a lot of other information if you are on insulin. Again you can try before you buy. — DaveT T1 since 1955 Thanks Guys you’ve all been a great help. My first post on this forum and

I feel like I belong. Hopefully you’ll be seeing a lot more of me round here, and thanks again for all your help Andy Kaye – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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Accucheck compact is infra red as is the active, both available in the UK Pete – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – my Accu-Chek Active meter over an Infra-Red link. I don’t know if it is available for Pocket PC and I think that it is only available in the USA. I know that it’s not available here in Australia – I had to get a friend in the states to order it and mail it to me. I’ve had a look at a couple of packages that I downloaded from www.palmgear.com. Both had individual features that were much better than Pocket Compass’ implementation, but neither had everything, so I’m kinda stuck with Pocket Compass until I can get some time to write something better myself – or until somebody else does :) If it wasn’t for the IR link to my Accu-Chek Active, I wouldn’t use Pocket Compass in a pink fit. It’s database management is complete rubbish. Cheers, John Carney. Thanks for that info. I’m actually using an O2 XDA (mobile company’s own brand PDA- Uses Pocket PC 2002 and a Strong-ARM processor). The PDA does have an Ir-DA link but my meter (GlucoTrend II from Roche does not, and as far as I’m aware the UK market has no meter’s with Ir-DA capability which is a shame. I guess I’m in the same boat of staying with what I have (paper + pen) or looking at putting together some kind of package myself. Thanks again Andy Kaye

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Andy, I’m working on something like this. It currently works on PC (32 bit versions of Windows eg 98, 2000, XP) and PocketPC (Compaq iPaq but should work on any PocketPC), I’m just getting the replication between the two to work. Once I’ve done this I’ll be making it available as freeware. If you want to have a look at http://www.altkb.com/DIM%20Proto.htm, there are some screenshots,  description and a prototype. The prototype runs on the PC and has some restrictions on the install directory. If you have any feedbac I’ll gladly try and include in the program. Cheers — Kevin Houstoun Type I since August 2002 http://www.altkb.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Accucheck compact is infra red as is the active, both available in the UK Pete my Accu-Chek Active meter over an Infra-Red link. I don’t know if it is available for Pocket PC and I think that it is only available in the USA. I know that it’s not available here in Australia – I had to get a friend in the states to order it and mail it to me. I’ve had a look at a couple of packages that I downloaded from www.palmgear.com. Both had individual features that were much better than Pocket Compass’ implementation, but neither had everything, so I’m kinda stuck with Pocket Compass until I can get some time to write something better myself – or until somebody else does :) If it wasn’t for the IR link to my Accu-Chek Active, I wouldn’t use Pocket Compass in a pink fit. It’s database management is complete rubbish. Cheers, John Carney. Thanks for that info. I’m actually using an O2 XDA (mobile company’s own brand PDA- Uses Pocket PC 2002 and a Strong-ARM processor). The PDA does have an Ir-DA link but my meter (GlucoTrend II from Roche does not, and as far as I’m aware the UK market has no meter’s with Ir-DA capability which is a shame. I guess I’m in the same boat of staying with what I have (paper + pen) or looking at putting together some kind of package myself. Thanks again Andy Kaye

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Hi Kevin I’ve just had a look at the website with info on your program, I must say it looks very easy to use and looks ideal for a person like myself. I’m going to try the program for a couple of weeks, and yup I would be glad to give you some feedback. Please let me know when you have a full pocket PC version with the replication ability Thanks Andy Type I since 1999 ***Parachute jump 12/6/00,         Lyke Wake Walk,           Member of the RAF Reserve***                                  2003??? Nijmegen Military March (Holland)                                                 If I can do it so can you

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Andy, I’m working on something like this. It currently works on PC (32 bit versions of Windows eg 98, 2000, XP) and PocketPC (Compaq iPaq but should work on any PocketPC), I’m just getting the replication between the two to work. Once I’ve done this I’ll be making it available as freeware. If you want to have a look at http://www.altkb.com/DIM%20Proto.htm, there are some screenshots,  description and a prototype. The prototype runs on the PC and has some restrictions on the install directory. If you have any feedbac I’ll gladly try and include in the program. Cheers — Kevin Houstoun Type I since August 2002 http://www.altkb.com Accucheck compact is infra red as is the active, both available in the UK Pete my Accu-Chek Active meter over an Infra-Red link. I don’t know if it is available for Pocket PC and I think that it is only available in the USA. I know that it’s not available here in Australia – I had to get a friend in the states to order it and mail it to me. I’ve had a look at a couple of packages that I downloaded from www.palmgear.com. Both had individual features that were much better than Pocket Compass’ implementation, but neither had everything, so I’m kinda stuck with Pocket Compass until I can get some time to write something better myself – or until somebody else does :) If it wasn’t for the IR link to my Accu-Chek Active, I wouldn’t use Pocket Compass in a pink fit. It’s database management is complete rubbish. Cheers, John Carney. Thanks for that info. I’m actually using an O2 XDA (mobile company’s own brand PDA- Uses Pocket PC 2002 and a Strong-ARM processor). The PDA does have an Ir-DA link but my meter (GlucoTrend II from Roche does not, and as far as I’m aware the UK market has no meter’s with Ir-DA capability which is a shame. I guess I’m in the same boat of staying with what I have (paper + pen) or looking at putting together some kind of package myself. Thanks again Andy Kaye

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Andy If your going to use the prototype it needs to be installed in C:Documents and SettingsKevin HoustonMy DocumentsNI. I’ve added an exe that moves it to the appropriate location to the download page. Also you need to enter a 2 bloodsugar reading (1 either side of the meal) and 1 meal before the reports work. Or simply set the dates to August (1 August 2002 to 31 August 2002) of last year to see some sample data from that period, and press the apply button. Cheers — Kevin Houstoun Type I since August 2002 http://www.altkb.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Kevin I’ve just had a look at the website with info on your program, I must say it looks very easy to use and looks ideal for a person like myself. I’m going to try the program for a couple of weeks, and yup I would be glad to give you some feedback. Please let me know when you have a full pocket PC version with the replication ability Thanks Andy Type I since 1999 ***Parachute jump 12/6/00,         Lyke Wake Walk,           Member of the RAF Reserve***                                  2003??? Nijmegen Military March (Holland)                                                 If I can do it so can you Andy, I’m working on something like this. It currently works on PC (32 bit versions of Windows eg 98, 2000, XP) and PocketPC (Compaq iPaq but should work on any PocketPC), I’m just getting the replication between the two to work. Once I’ve done this I’ll be making it available as freeware. If you want to have a look at http://www.altkb.com/DIM%20Proto.htm, there are some screenshots,  description and a prototype. The prototype runs on the PC and has some restrictions on the install directory. If you have any feedbac I’ll gladly try and include in the program. Cheers — Kevin Houstoun Type I since August 2002 http://www.altkb.com Accucheck compact is infra red as is the active, both available in the UK Pete my Accu-Chek Active meter over an Infra-Red link. I don’t know if it is available for Pocket PC and I think that it is only available in the USA. I know that it’s not available here in Australia – I had to get a friend in the states to order it and mail it to me. I’ve had a look at a couple of packages that I downloaded from www.palmgear.com. Both had individual features that were much better than Pocket Compass’ implementation, but neither had everything, so I’m kinda stuck with Pocket Compass until I can get some time to write something better myself – or until somebody else does :) If it wasn’t for the IR link to my Accu-Chek Active, I wouldn’t use Pocket Compass in a pink fit. It’s database management is complete rubbish. Cheers, John Carney. Thanks for that info. I’m actually using an O2 XDA (mobile company’s own brand PDA- Uses Pocket PC 2002 and a Strong-ARM processor). The PDA does have an Ir-DA link but my meter (GlucoTrend II from Roche does not, and as far as I’m aware the UK market has no meter’s with Ir-DA capability which is a shame. I guess I’m in the same boat of staying with what I have (paper + pen) or looking at putting together some kind of package myself. Thanks again Andy Kaye

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Well- not a single reply, except for best wishes sent privately  by Kathy Davis who no longer writes to this group because the "Know-alls" frightened her off. It would appear that,in general, this group is mainly the home of the favoured few judging by the frequency of their postings. I could change my email address to Flying Rodent or something similar to gain recognition , but I won’t bother coming here again. Like Kathy -I’m out. No need to write nasty replies – I shall be unsubscribing as from now.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll be 65 on Monday! Fortunately, I have been diabetic type2 on insulin for only 15 months, unlike some of you less fortunate who have had to live with this for many years. Well, I’m going out for a meal and two pints of beer to celebrate – I cannot have more as I had a stroke 3 years ago. As I rarely drink these days what are the guidelines on drinking alcohol with using insulin? What if I do ot have a meal ?All advice gratefully received. — Regards, Brian

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I’ll be 65 on Monday! Fortunately, I have been diabetic type2 on insulin for only 15 months, unlike some of you less fortunate who have had to live with this for many years. Well, I’m going out for a meal and two pints of beer to celebrate – I cannot have more as I had a stroke 3 years ago. As I rarely drink these days what are the guidelines on drinking alcohol with using insulin? What if I do ot have a meal ?All advice gratefully received. — Regards, Brian

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Sorry Brian I missed your birthday, and neglected to send best wishes on that occasion, inadvertantly marked all messages as read and missed a few. Couldnt give you an answer regarding the alcohol as I gave that up some time back before i was dx. Pity you feel like unsubscribing, however if you change your mind, all diabetics, their friends and family are welcome at this group,best wishes and keep healthy regards sandy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well- not a single reply, except for best wishes sent privately  by Kathy Davis who no longer writes to this group because the "Know-alls" frightened her off. It would appear that,in general, this group is mainly the home of the favoured few judging by the frequency of their postings. I could change my email address to Flying Rodent or something similar to gain recognition , but I won’t bother coming here again. Like Kathy -I’m out. No need to write nasty replies – I shall be unsubscribing as from now. I’ll be 65 on Monday! Fortunately, I have been diabetic type2 on insulin for only 15 months, unlike some of you less fortunate who have had to live with this for many years. Well, I’m going out for a meal and two pints of beer to celebrate – I cannot have more as I had a stroke 3 years ago. As I rarely drink these days what are the guidelines on drinking alcohol with using insulin? What if I do ot have a meal ?All advice gratefully received. — Regards, Brian

— Would you like a glass of coke dear, you seem to be slurrying your words again, and please take you hands off the cats neck. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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Well- not a single reply,

Have to say that I didn’t see braber’s post until today and as I don’t take insulin I haven’t a clue how it reacts with beer! except for best wishes sent privately  by Kathy Davis who no longer writes to this group because the "Know-alls" frightened her off.

Ah, thanks Kathy – nice to see that even though you aren’t posting you’re turning people against the group anyway. It would appear that,in general, this group is mainly the home of the favoured few judging by the frequency of their postings.

It’s called being a regular – if we didn’t post then this group wouldn’t exist. A simple concept to grasp really… I could change my email address to Flying Rodent or something similar to gain recognition , but I won’t bother coming here again.

With an attitude like that then I don’t think we’ll miss you much. Like Kathy -I’m out. No need to write nasty replies – I shall be unsubscribing as from now.

Sorry but you can’t tell people not to reply and as you say you aren’t going to read this then we can say what we want! — Emma                            http://altgallery.shows.it The Chocolate Monster           http://chocmonster.rules.it

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Emma,   this is just to let you know, I have never slaged this site of to anyone,

So what braber implies is wrong then? From what I understood you e-mailed him directly and told him all about the troubles you think you’ve had with the group. From the way he worded it that was a big part in his decision to leave after only making one post. I think you need to let people have their own say,

Anyone who wants to can have their say but when someone comes in here and insults the people who are keeping this group alive (and in Ratty case the person who started the group!) then they can’t expect to get away with it. you seem to be doing alright with your say,

What are you on about? I reply or start threads, that what Usenet is all about. If we didn’t this group would be a very dead place. So let other people in. If anyone is frightening anyone away then look no futher than your self.

In braber’s case how could I have scared someone away after they had actually left the group…? Please give me proof of who I have actually scared off from this group. I may be a bit forthright in my views (believe me I’m tame in this group compared to others I post to) but if people can’t take that then they’d better killfile me – not one forces you to read my posts. I am still on the club and I am not going to leave, So believe me when I have somethink to say then I will say it.

Great – so why didn’t you reply to brabers post on group then? And don’t worry I am not ready to leave yet,

Kathy I really have no interest in what you do or don’t do but do stop telling other people how they can behave.   If I have a point to make then I will make it, I thought that was what this club is all about…

It is which is why I replied. After all braber told us he wasn’t going to bother reading the group again so it’s of no concern to him what I say! — Emma                            http://altgallery.shows.it The Chocolate Monster           http://chocmonster.rules.it

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Happy birthday and fuck off.

LOL! Good one Ratty. Have to say that some people demand a hell of a lot from people who they meet via newsgroups. We would all like to be the best poster in the world being happy and replying politely to everything that everyone as said but it’s never going to happen. If we can help then we will – if we can’t then we are very sorry and that’s life… — Emma                            http://altgallery.shows.it The Chocolate Monster           http://chocmonster.rules.it

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says… Happy birthday and fuck off.

Succinct, and minimal use of band width:-))))) — Philip Martin. Happily Insulin Jetting. — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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says… Well- not a single reply, except for best wishes sent privately  by Kathy Davis who no longer writes to this group because the "Know-alls" frightened her off. It would appear that,in general, this group is mainly the home of the favoured few judging by the frequency of their postings. I could change my email address to Flying Rodent or something similar to gain recognition , but I won’t bother coming here again. Like Kathy -I’m out. No need to write nasty replies – I shall be unsubscribing as from now.

Well I can only respond with two comments. I’m sorry I didn’t wish you happy birthday. I have been on and off for a short time whilst I changed my ADSL setup, which turned into a minor catastrophe at one point. As regards posting handles, I can only assume this is a cheap dig at me. My posting handle relates to my former occupation in the airline industry. So to summarise both comments, Happy birthday and fuck off. FR — All killer no filler ratty at flyingrat.net New webthingy is www.flyingrat.net

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Perhaps I should have told you all when I was 67 (last week). I might have had a better response from you than from my children. Grandchildren you can rely on, but their parents were obviously very badly brought up. I consider myself fit and healthy despite the pacemaker, the heart failure and constantly having to draw blood. What I do find difficult is that inside me there is an agile, sexy, 19 year old trying desperately to get out, but can’t quite succeed. I suppose another one for the road might be some consolation. By the way, I saved myself some money yesterday. I was going to back Brazil to win 2-1. Just as well I walked straight past the bookies. Bilbo — Reality is an illusion brought about by lack of alcohol.

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Emma,    this is just to let you know, I have never slaged this site of to anyone, I have never tried to get anyone to leave this site, I think you need to get your facts right before you start on me again, I think you need to let people have their own say, you seem to be doing alright with your say, So let other people in. If anyone is frightening anyone away then look no futher than your self. I am still on the club and I am not going to leave, So believe me when I have somethink to say then I will say it. Stop getting at everyone who wants to put their point of view, They have a right the same as you, but give other people a chance. And don’t worry I am not ready to leave yet, If I have a point to make then I will make it, I thought that was what this club is all about…….Kathy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well- not a single reply, Have to say that I didn’t see braber’s post until today and as I don’t take insulin I haven’t a clue how it reacts with beer! except for best wishes sent privately  by Kathy Davis who no longer writes to this group because the "Know-alls" frightened her off. Ah, thanks Kathy – nice to see that even though you aren’t posting you’re turning people against the group anyway. It would appear that,in general, this group is mainly the home of the favoured few judging by the frequency of their postings. It’s called being a regular – if we didn’t post then this group wouldn’t exist. A simple concept to grasp really… I could change my email address to Flying Rodent or something similar to gain recognition , but I won’t bother coming here again. With an attitude like that then I don’t think we’ll miss you much. Like Kathy -I’m out. No need to write nasty replies – I shall be unsubscribing as from now. Sorry but you can’t tell people not to reply and as you say you aren’t going to read this then we can say what we want!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I tend to skirt round this subject as it raises so many hackles. And I will regret posting this tomorrow…. I quote from the Guardian; a British newspaper with an extensive web presence. " In 1998, Charles O Rossotti, the commissioner of the IRS, testified before the Senate finance committee that non-compliance with the internal revenue code was costing every taxpayer in the country more than $1,600 (

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What is a functional food? What is nutraceutical? Sounds like some buzz terms dreamed up by an advertising agency. I have enough trouble with English.  Hate Latin. But "spammerese" is beyond my ability to understand.                           Guy Williams

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This post not CC’d by email Th point is it doesn’t much matter whether the cholesterol originally came from diet or was internally manufactured.

This comment must be taken in context.  Phytosterols block the absorption of cholesterol in the gut.  The first reaction to that might be to think it only affects the dietary cholesterol component since fairly obviously that component is absorbed from the gut.  What isn’t so obvious is that even endogenous cholesterol, cholesterol that one produces all by oneself also gets removed with bile salts and passes down through the gut and where some of it is reabsorbed. It does if the problem is you’re eating too much cholesterol, and changing your eating makes your blood cholesterol go down (maybe even to normal range).

Are you concerned the cholesterol levels might get too low? Cholesterol is needed to produce hormones, estrogen and testosterone among other things.  Statistically the risk of death does go up at very low levels. Quite what underlies the risk is a matter of conjecture.  Whatever. A 10% or 15% drop isn’t all that drastic.   Many, many people get a much bigger drop when they get their bg under firm control. For some people, lifestyle changes don’t work, and meds are necessary. (sounds a lot like bg control here!)

For a very good reason. The difference is in what you can do about it. bj

Hey, I am a strong advocate of doing what is necessary … and being damn sure of what is and was isn’t necessary.   When I started my HDL was 70% of normal.  It was so low my GP was disinclined to treat it writing it off as genetic.   Since low HDL is pretty much par for the course for people with insulin resistance the sensible course as I saw it was to deal with the insulin resistance first. My GP happened to agree.   As it happens there are pretty good protocols out there for GPs to decide which things to tackle first when multiple conditions present themselves. Put simply the optimal order isn’t the same for every situation. My HDL now makes minimal normal levels. Naturally I’d like it higher because the stats for centenarians make a good case of higher than minimum levels. Best wishes, — Quentin Grady       ^  ^  / New Zealand,       #,#< [                     / /     "… and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

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Here we go again…something you don’t understand so you call it SPAM… By the way have you tried SPAM? I kinda liked it when I was growing up! Perhaps that might explain my predisposition for it now! I’ve no problem eating SPAM if my test results indicate its doing me some good…that’s what I mean by investigate… Have you tried eating some SPAM recently? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t object to taking pills if I don’t have any alternative. However, I do strive to minimize the ingestion of man-made chemicals And so it begins. Spam city here we come You’re DEFINITELY in with the in crowd aren’t you. You use that word like a star salesman would  concentrate the natural nutrients found in food And the natural toxins too presumably. So basically, you’re here to tout the wonders of natural crap and NOT actually "investigate" it like your first post said! Just another shitpot full of spam.

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Here are some of the results due to this "SPAM"… 1. 10-22% reduction in total cholesterol; 14-22% reduction in LDL in 2-8 weeks with no side effects! 2. 5% reduction in total cholesterol by changing to a cereal with this "SPAM" stuff 3. What to find out more anout this "SPAM"? Read what the following research scientists have to say: Dr Scott Grundy; Dr Tu T Nguyen; Dr Tatu Miettinen 4. Some other light "SPAM" reading for you: New England Journal of Medicine, vol 333, Nov16 1995, pp 1308-12; Diabetologia, vol 37, pp 773-80; European Journal of Clinical Nutrition, vol 52, no 5, May 1998, pp 334-43; Canadian Journal of Physiology and Pharmacology, vol 75, 1997, pp 217-27; This is what you are calling "SPAM". Try eating some…you might enjoy it! And, more importantly, it might, god forbid, do you some good! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t object to taking pills if I don’t have any alternative. However, I do strive to minimize the ingestion of man-made chemicals And so it begins. Spam city here we come

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Malcolm who never met a scam he didn’t like. — — Ronnie Ruff "The government could take away all the drugs in the world and people would spin around on their lawns until they fell down and saw God.

| Here are some of the results due to this "SPAM"… | 1. 10-22% reduction in total cholesterol; 14-22% reduction in LDL in 2-8 weeks | with no side effects! | 2. 5% reduction in total cholesterol by changing to a cereal with this "SPAM" | stuff | 3. What to find out more anout this "SPAM"? Read what the following research | scientists have to say: Dr Scott Grundy; Dr Tu T Nguyen; Dr Tatu Miettinen | 4. Some other light "SPAM" reading for you: New England Journal of Medicine, vol | 333, Nov16 1995, pp 1308-12; Diabetologia, vol 37, pp 773-80; European Journal | of Clinical Nutrition, vol 52, no 5, May 1998, pp 334-43; Canadian Journal of | Physiology and Pharmacology, vol 75, 1997, pp 217-27; | | This is what you are calling "SPAM". Try eating some…you might enjoy it! And, | more importantly, it might, god forbid, do you some good! | |

| | I don’t object to taking pills if I don’t have any alternative. | However, I do | strive to minimize the ingestion of man-made chemicals | | And so it begins. Spam city here we come |

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4. Some other light "SPAM" reading for you: New England Journal of Medicine, vol 333, Nov16 1995, pp 1308-12; Diabetologia, vol 37, pp 773-80; European Journal of Clinical Nutrition, vol 52, no 5, May 1998, pp 334-43; Canadian Journal of Physiology and Pharmacology, vol 75, 1997, pp 217-27;

The titles of these journals do not guarantee truth. However they do carry a little more weight than a knee-jerk declaration of "spam" Personally, I think a polarized categorization of substances as "natural" and "synthetic" is not a very useful way to make health decisions.  I don’t think that is what you are doing, but it comes off that way in your posts. — Wes Groleau http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~wgroleau

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In order to make it clear what I’m doing and where I’m coming from… For 49 years I was rarely sick or took drugs or supplements (apart for spasmodic use of a multivit and vit C). I didn’t even take over-the-counter drugs for headaches. I had to force myself to start seeing a doctor once a year about 5 years ago because I read that people in their 40’s should! My preference is not take any drug or supplement, synthetic or natural. But I will take any food, drug, or supplement (synthetic or natural) that I think, based on the best research available to me, will help me control my diabetes better either now or in the years to come. My only reason for prefering "natural" over "synthetic" is that synthetic sources are often missing ingredients found in natural sources, and with our current state of knowledge leaving out something might be critical to product effectiveness. An example of this is the effectiveness of Vitamin E; Vitamin E derived synthetically is not as effective as Vitamin E derived from natural sources (denoted by d-alpha); and, more recently, the most effective form of Vitamin E has been shown to contain both d-alpha and mixed tocopherols (d-beta, d-delta, and d-gamma). I would prefer, for example, not to take any Metformin but, at present, such a step is not medically indicated. However, I have managed to reduce my Metformin from 1000mg/day to 500mg/day. If I’m taking a supplement that I subsequently learn might do more harm than good, then I stop taking it; for example, I was taking Chromium Picolinate but I stopped taking it when I learned about new research that indicated it might be causing gene defects. Cost is another issue. My supplements cost me about C$200/month. I’d rather spend the money elsewhere! But I honestly believe, and can justify from solid medical research, that it is money being well spent. My medications and drugs are free. So I could take as much Metformin as it takes to bring my blood glucose to a normal level. But I don’t! Why? Because drugs are not dealing with the root cause of the problem, they only deal only with the symptoms due to the root causes. I only take those supplements which I believe will help my body deal more effectively with the root causes of my diabetes and help my body heal itself or at the very least minimize the need for drugs. Anyway, have to go…got visitors… Personally, I think a polarized categorization of substances as "natural" and "synthetic" is not a very useful way to make health decisions.  I don’t think that is what you are doing, but it comes off that way in your posts. — Wes Groleau http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~wgroleau

– The only constant is change, learn to embrace it!

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This post not CC’d by email Have you tried eating some SPAM recently?

Nah.  But the Okinawans adopted eating spam from the American occupation forces.   Before WW2 their life expectancy wasn’t particularly remarkable. Now they out live most everyone.   Of course there were many other changes besides the introduction of spam.  The percentage carb in their diets dropped from 80% to 54%. Their salt intake decreased. The variety of vegetables increased till 7 to 13 serves a day is normal and they import seaweed etc. — Quentin Grady       ^  ^  / New Zealand,       #,#< [                     / /     "… and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

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I don’t object to taking pills if I don’t have any alternative. However, I do strive to minimize the ingestion of man-made chemicals

And so it begins. Spam city here we come <snip Most doctors I’ve encountered stress the importance of getting most of my nutrients from food.

Really?? How novel THAT idea must be and how amazing that doctors actually want you to eat FOOD!  Nutraceuticals You’re DEFINITELY in with the in crowd aren’t you. You use that word like a star salesman would  concentrate the natural nutrients found in food

And the natural toxins too presumably.  to focus on dealing with specific dietary deficiciecies caused by specific diseases. This focus is on prevention of a problem rather than dealing with it, by taking a pill, after it occurs. To me this seems a far superior treatment approach, and is likely to become a more prevalent one in the future, than treating disease complications after they occur with a pill designed to treat symptoms rather than root causes. That, I believe, is the focus of nutraceuticals.

So basically, you’re here to tout the wonders of natural crap and NOT actually "investigate" it like your first post said! Just another shitpot full of spam.

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I’m generally suspicious of this sort of thing–there’s so much BS in the popular market.  Cooper’s books on exercise from 20-30 years ago were based on research rather than speculation.  So IMHO his reputation is good, but I’d still be on guard for comments that sound logical but have no empirical evidence.

HIs reputation is deteriorating. It couldn’t have gone the other way, of course; Ken Cooper coined the term "Aerobic Exercise" and the Cooper Aerobic Institute did a lot of important research. But he’s been spouting things the last couple of years that directly contradict the results his own research institute have found. I don’t know what’s going on, whether he’s selling what people want to buy because they don’t want to believe that you actually have to *exercise* in order to build fitness, or if he’s gone around the bend, or what. He *is* seventy…. deke —  She wants a man of principle, who will take interest.  She’s been dating bankers….

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Th point is it doesn’t much matter whether the cholesterol

originally came from diet or was internally manufactured. It does if the problem is you’re eating too much cholesterol, and changing your eating makes your blood cholesterol go down (maybe even to normal range). For some people, lifestyle changes don’t work, and meds are necessary. (sounds a lot like bg control here!) The difference is in what you can do about it. bj

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strive to minimize the ingestion of man-made chemicals into my body to treat

The line between is very vague.  Some "natural" substances have potent effects on the body. And some "drugs" are merely concentrated plant or meat extracts. — Wes Groleau http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~wgroleau

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So it’s still a man-made process (and I don’t mean just cooking the food) that you’re depending on, it’s just a different one. And perhaps I’m just not as convinced as some are of the difference between "man made" and "natural" chemicals. I understand the difference between vitamins-in-a-pill and vitamins-in-an-apple — but that has to do with the other stuff in the apple, not the particular vitamin that’s been prepared/purified in the pill. Don’t the nutraceuticals have any side-effects?

I don’t object to taking pills if I don’t have any alternative.

However, I do strive to minimize the ingestion of man-made chemicals into my body to treat disease symptoms rather than the cause of the symptoms. … Most doctors I’ve encountered stress the importance of getting most

of my nutrients from food. Nutraceuticals concentrate the natural nutrients found in food to focus on dealing with specific dietary deficiciecies caused by specific diseases. …. I don’t understand the objection to taking pills if you are

willing to eat the additives in the foods or the "plant derivatives"…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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This post not CC’d by email And as I understand it, some people just make too much cholesterol inside themselves, regardless of what they eat or their exercise.

G’day G’day bj I puzzle over that one for while.  Here is the "official" version as put out by those selling the yuppie margarines.   It at least makes sense.  Most people make bile salts that remove some cholesterol included some damaged cholesterol into the gut.  The cholesterol has a fifty fifty chance of going doing the gurgler or being reabsorbed back into the liver.  The phytosterols block the reabsorption process so that a higher percentage of cholesterol ends up in the pan. The phytosterols go the same way. Th point is it doesn’t much matter whether the cholesterol originally came from diet or was internally manufactured. — Quentin Grady       ^  ^  / New Zealand,       #,#< [                     / /     "… and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

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This post not CC’d by email Thanks Quentin. Very interesting and informative comments. The whole idea of functional foods is new to me, but the concept of functional foods makes a lot of sense to me and I shall certainly be focusing on learning more about them over the next few months.

There are some good online publications to be found using Google. Best wishes, — Quentin Grady       ^  ^  / New Zealand,       #,#< [                     / /     "… and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone have any experience in using functional or nutraceutical foods for lowering cholesterol levels? Do I hear what are they? Briefly… I’m currently investigating ways to lower my cholesterol level with minimal use of drugs and I’m currently reading Dr Cooper’s book "Controllong Cholesterol the Natural Way". Dr. Cooper stresses the importance of controlling what we eat rather than taking drugs to control the effects of what we’ve eaten. In conjunction with proper diet and exercise, Dr. Cooper advocates the use of functional foods, or nutraceuticals, rather than pills, to control the excessive accumulation of cholesterol. Functional food examples: Benecol (plant stanols derived from "tall oil" wood pulp of pine trees; for example, McNeil spreads, salad dressings, and yogurt; Becel Pro-ACTIV (margarine with plant sterols); Take Control (plant sterol derived from soybeans; for example, Lipton spread); Phytrol (plant sterol-phytosterols-extracted from wood pulp; for example, Novatis food additive found in margarine, salid dressings, and mayonnaise; also see the Altus Foods joint venture with Quaker); Psyllium (grain-seed husk; for example, Kellogg’s All Bran Buds).

  My doc says that the statin drugs have two functions:    a.  they reduce the probability of heart attack    b.  they improve your lipid numbers.  The interesting fact is that he says the two effects are  somewhat independent.  Therefore, it looks like the best strategy is to use the  functional foods AND take the statin drugs.    If you skip the statin drugs, you are taking a big gamble.   I have a friend who experienced the worst side-effects of the statins and had to stop taking them.  If the side-effects hit hard,  you can stop taking the statins.  If the heart attack hits,  your choices are more limited. Old Al (T1 since 94, 38 units H + U via 4 injections daily)   A retired engineer who loves his Lipitor

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Does anyone have any experience in using functional or nutraceutical foods for lowering cholesterol levels? Do I hear what are they? Briefly…

<snip Some years ago I had high cholesterol.  I didn’t want to take any drugs for it.  At the time, my only option was some nasty powder that had to be mixed with juice or some other drink.  There may have been other drugs on the market, but since I was getting my medical care at a military facility, that was all that was available to me.  I told my Dr. that I didn’t want to use it.  He gave me niacin instead.  It worked well for me.  I have read reports that using niacin might not be so wonderful, but now I can’t remember why. I stopped using the niacin when pregnant and also quit smoking.  I think the smoking affected the cholesterol more than anything.  I don’t have high cholesterol now.  I had tried the diet approach.  But this was some years back and we didn’t have those cholesterol lowering foods that we have today. Changing my diet didn’t do a thing in terms of affecting the cholesterol. — Type 2 http://www.redshift.com/~juliebove/

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I don’t object to taking pills if I don’t have any alternative. However, I do strive to minimize the ingestion of man-made chemicals into my body to treat disease symptoms rather than the cause of the symptoms.

Then the symptom is still doing damage  just you cant tell anymore  you must treat what is causing the problem  not the problem  In addition, probably because of the highly-effective focus on dealing with specific symptoms, most pills have major undesirable side-effects. Try reading the prescribing information sheets on any of the medications you are currently taking. I do! What I read frightens me!

But they are required by law to put them there  not just a discaliamer that you cant hold me responsible because whats said on the bottle may or may not be in here and it has never been really tested   hey i am not a drug  but something that nmay or may not help  but who cares  i tiold you im not responsible Most doctors I’ve encountered stress the importance of getting most of my nutrients from food. Nutraceuticals concentrate the natural nutrients found in food

but does this make them better  do they work by themselves or as part of the food  can they be dangerous if concentrated  is tii much of a "good" thing better or worse?  to focus on dealing with specific dietary deficiciecies caused by specific diseases. This focus is on prevention of a problem rather than dealing with it, by taking a pill, after it occurs.

That is not what you said above  you take the supplements to counteract the symptoms  To me this seems a far superior treatment – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -approach, and is likely to become a more prevalent one in the future, than treating disease complications after they occur with a pill designed to treat symptoms rather than root causes. That, I believe, is the focus of nutraceuticals.   I don’t understand the objection to taking pills if you are willing to eat the additives in the foods or the "plant derivatives". And as I understand it, some people just make too much cholesterol inside themselves, regardless of what they eat or their exercise. bj Does anyone have any experience in using functional or nutraceutical foods for lowering cholesterol levels? Do I hear what are they? Briefly… I’m currently investigating ways to lower my cholesterol level with minimal use of drugs and I’m currently reading Dr Cooper’s book "Controllong Cholesterol the Natural Way". — The only constant is change, learn to embrace it!

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Thanks Quentin. Very interesting and informative comments. The whole idea of functional foods is new to me, but the concept of functional foods makes a lot of sense to me and I shall certainly be focusing on learning more about them over the next few months. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This post not CC’d by email Does anyone have any experience in using functional or nutraceutical foods for lowering cholesterol levels? Do I hear what are they? Briefly… If you mean experience by using phytosterols and phytostanols in commercially prepared foods myself then the answer is no.  Of course the concept of functional foods goes much wider I’m currently investigating ways to lower my cholesterol level with minimal use of drugs and I’m currently reading Dr Cooper’s book "Controllong Cholesterol the Natural Way". Dr. Cooper stresses the importance of controlling what we eat rather than taking drugs to control the effects of what we’ve eaten. In conjunction with proper diet and exercise, Dr. Cooper advocates the use of functional foods, or nutraceuticals, rather than pills, to control the excessive accumulation of cholesterol. Functional food examples: Benecol (plant stanols derived from "tall oil" wood pulp of pine trees; for example, McNeil spreads, salad dressings, and yogurt; Becel Pro-ACTIV (margarine with plant sterols); Take Control (plant sterol derived from soybeans; for example, Lipton spread); Phytrol (plant sterol-phytosterols-extracted from wood pulp; for example, Novatis food additive found in margarine, salid dressings, and mayonnaise; also see the Altus Foods joint venture with Quaker); Psyllium (grain-seed husk; for example, Kellogg’s All Bran Buds). Bill Shrapnel writes a readable book called "The Pro-active Plan" subtitled the ultimate cholesterol lowering diet.  Many people won’t know Bill Shrapnel and I wouldn’t either if I hadn’t read the foreword.   He worked for Unilever and was instrumental in developing the process that removed trans fats from Australian and New Zealand table margarines and for that IMHO he deserves a round of applause. (As I understand it they still lurk in the frying compounds and table margarines in some other countries.) Not surprisingly he was involved in the development of local sterol enriched yuppie margarines.   Naturally one would expect him to be pro the sterol enriched margarines and he is.  What I find interesting is that he is forthcoming with some tidbits of information that might not be generally available. The following are a summary of his opinions based on others research. 2 to 3 grams of sterol linked to fat is as effective as 30 grams of straight sterol. 2 grams a day of sterol with fat is sufficient. Vegetarians average 0.6 to 0.7 grams per day from food with others averaging 0.2 to 0.4 grams per day, so function foods are required if one decides to follow this path. Only 3 to 5% make it into the blood stream. Research was carried out to find out if they prevented the absorption of fat soluble Vit A, D, E and K.  Fortunately the didn’t appear to affect absorption. Eating fruit and vegetables counteract a tendency to decrease carotenoid absorption. Plant sterols do not affect insulin or the oral medications for diabetes. (It might be wise to check if you are on something new.) And the results. 10% or better drop in LDL in 3 weeks seems reasonable. HDL is not affected. Does this have me rushing out to by some?  Well…no. I don’t eat much bread, perhaps a slice a day and use olive paste or tahini. Best wishes, — Quentin Grady       ^  ^  / New Zealand,       #,#< [                     / / "… and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

– The only constant is change, learn to embrace it!

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I don’t understand the objection to taking pills if you are willing to eat the additives in the foods or the "plant derivatives". And as I understand it, some people just make too much cholesterol inside themselves, regardless of what they eat or their exercise. bj

Does anyone have any experience in using functional or nutraceutical

foods for lowering cholesterol levels? Do I hear what are they? Briefly… I’m currently investigating ways to lower my cholesterol level with

minimal use of drugs and I’m currently reading Dr Cooper’s book "Controllong Cholesterol the Natural Way". – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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I’m currently investigating ways to lower my cholesterol level with minimal use of drugs and I’m currently reading Dr Cooper’s book "Controllong Cholesterol the Natural Way".

I’m generally suspicious of this sort of thing–there’s so much BS in the popular market.  Cooper’s books on exercise from 20-30 years ago were based on research rather than speculation.  So IMHO his reputation is good, but I’d still be on guard for comments that sound logical but have no empirical evidence. — Wes Groleau http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~wgroleau

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This post not CC’d by email Does anyone have any experience in using functional or nutraceutical foods for lowering cholesterol levels? Do I hear what are they? Briefly…

If you mean experience by using phytosterols and phytostanols in commercially prepared foods myself then the answer is no.  Of course the concept of functional foods goes much wider – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I’m currently investigating ways to lower my cholesterol level with minimal use of drugs and I’m currently reading Dr Cooper’s book "Controllong Cholesterol the Natural Way". Dr. Cooper stresses the importance of controlling what we eat rather than taking drugs to control the effects of what we’ve eaten. In conjunction with proper diet and exercise, Dr. Cooper advocates the use of functional foods, or nutraceuticals, rather than pills, to control the excessive accumulation of cholesterol. Functional food examples: Benecol (plant stanols derived from "tall oil" wood pulp of pine trees; for example, McNeil spreads, salad dressings, and yogurt; Becel Pro-ACTIV (margarine with plant sterols); Take Control (plant sterol derived from soybeans; for example, Lipton spread); Phytrol (plant sterol-phytosterols-extracted from wood pulp; for example, Novatis food additive found in margarine, salid dressings, and mayonnaise; also see the Altus Foods joint venture with Quaker); Psyllium (grain-seed husk; for example, Kellogg’s All Bran Buds).

Bill Shrapnel writes a readable book called "The Pro-active Plan" subtitled the ultimate cholesterol lowering diet.  Many people won’t know Bill Shrapnel and I wouldn’t either if I hadn’t read the foreword.   He worked for Unilever and was instrumental in developing the process that removed trans fats from Australian and New Zealand table margarines and for that IMHO he deserves a round of applause. (As I understand it they still lurk in the frying compounds and table margarines in some other countries.)   Not surprisingly he was involved in the development of local sterol enriched yuppie margarines.   Naturally one would expect him to be pro the sterol enriched margarines and he is.  What I find interesting is that he is forthcoming with some tidbits of information that might not be generally available. The following are a summary of his opinions based on others research. 2 to 3 grams of sterol linked to fat is as effective as 30 grams of straight sterol.   2 grams a day of sterol with fat is sufficient. Vegetarians average 0.6 to 0.7 grams per day from food with others averaging 0.2 to 0.4 grams per day, so function foods are required if one decides to follow this path. Only 3 to 5% make it into the blood stream. Research was carried out to find out if they prevented the absorption of fat soluble Vit A, D, E and K.  Fortunately the didn’t appear to affect absorption. Eating fruit and vegetables counteract a tendency to decrease carotenoid absorption. Plant sterols do not affect insulin or the oral medications for diabetes. (It might be wise to check if you are on something new.) And the results.   10% or better drop in LDL in 3 weeks seems reasonable. HDL is not affected. Does this have me rushing out to by some?  Well…no. I don’t eat much bread, perhaps a slice a day and use olive paste or tahini. Best wishes, — Quentin Grady       ^  ^  / New Zealand,       #,#< [                     / /     "… and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

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Does anyone have any experience in using functional or nutraceutical foods for lowering cholesterol levels? Do I hear what are they? Briefly… I’m currently investigating ways to lower my cholesterol level with minimal use of drugs and I’m currently reading Dr Cooper’s book "Controllong Cholesterol the Natural Way". Dr. Cooper stresses the importance of controlling what we eat rather than taking drugs to control the effects of what we’ve eaten. In conjunction with proper diet and exercise, Dr. Cooper advocates the use of functional foods, or nutraceuticals, rather than pills, to control the excessive accumulation of cholesterol. Functional food examples: Benecol (plant stanols derived from "tall oil" wood pulp of pine trees; for example, McNeil spreads, salad dressings, and yogurt; Becel Pro-ACTIV (margarine with plant sterols); Take Control (plant sterol derived from soybeans; for example, Lipton spread); Phytrol (plant sterol-phytosterols-extracted from wood pulp; for example, Novatis food additive found in margarine, salid dressings, and mayonnaise; also see the Altus Foods joint venture with Quaker); Psyllium (grain-seed husk; for example, Kellogg’s All Bran Buds).

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I don’t object to taking pills if I don’t have any alternative. However, I do strive to minimize the ingestion of man-made chemicals into my body to treat disease symptoms rather than the cause of the symptoms. In addition, probably because of the highly-effective focus on dealing with specific symptoms, most pills have major undesirable side-effects. Try reading the prescribing information sheets on any of the medications you are currently taking. I do! What I read frightens me! Most doctors I’ve encountered stress the importance of getting most of my nutrients from food. Nutraceuticals concentrate the natural nutrients found in food to focus on dealing with specific dietary deficiciecies caused by specific diseases. This focus is on prevention of a problem rather than dealing with it, by taking a pill, after it occurs. To me this seems a far superior treatment approach, and is likely to become a more prevalent one in the future, than treating disease complications after they occur with a pill designed to treat symptoms rather than root causes. That, I believe, is the focus of nutraceuticals.   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t understand the objection to taking pills if you are willing to eat the additives in the foods or the "plant derivatives". And as I understand it, some people just make too much cholesterol inside themselves, regardless of what they eat or their exercise. bj Does anyone have any experience in using functional or nutraceutical foods for lowering cholesterol levels? Do I hear what are they? Briefly… I’m currently investigating ways to lower my cholesterol level with minimal use of drugs and I’m currently reading Dr Cooper’s book "Controllong Cholesterol the Natural Way".

– The only constant is change, learn to embrace it!

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It has been proven what we eat can only control poor lipid numbers to a very limited extent.  Sometimes the liver has a mind of its own.  Sometimes drugs are needed.  They are not always a bad thing Malcolm. — — Ronnie Ruff "People should realize, we are just jerks like them." (Bono of U2)

| Does anyone have any experience in using functional or nutraceutical foods for | lowering cholesterol levels? Do I hear what are they? Briefly… | | I’m currently investigating ways to lower my cholesterol level with minimal use | of drugs and I’m currently reading Dr Cooper’s book "Controllong Cholesterol the | Natural Way". | | Dr. Cooper stresses the importance of controlling what we eat rather than taking | drugs to control the effects of what we’ve eaten. In conjunction with proper | diet and exercise, Dr. Cooper advocates the use of functional foods, or | nutraceuticals, rather than pills, to control the excessive accumulation of | cholesterol. Functional food examples: Benecol (plant stanols derived from "tall | oil" wood pulp of pine trees; for example, McNeil spreads, salad dressings, and | yogurt; Becel Pro-ACTIV (margarine with plant sterols); Take Control (plant | sterol derived from soybeans; for example, Lipton spread); Phytrol (plant | sterol-phytosterols-extracted from wood pulp; for example, Novatis food additive | found in margarine, salid dressings, and mayonnaise; also see the Altus Foods | joint venture with Quaker); Psyllium (grain-seed husk; for example, Kellogg’s | All Bran Buds).

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I looked at www.dejanews.com power search and found 190 posts by you using this screen name to 13 forums, including 12 to this forum since December 12th. You just need to learn the procedures. In your case, I searched for "Removal" in misc.health.diabetes and then asked for author posting history.  Deja News searching capabilities can be an enlightening experience, particularly if you are prone to being a bit paranoid! Remember,  most forum"s postings are "public" {:-) So, where’s the beef? I have noticed that i will place a post and somehow it will mysteriously be removed, How is this happening?

Regards, Bob

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<<One consideration that your explanation fails to account for was the absence of any achieved posts from her to M.H.D ?  There are some 2,700 of her posts to other news groups there but none to  this one????? She never subscribed to  M.H.D. ?????? "Uncle Arnie" "STRESS is when you wake up screaming & you realize you haven’t fallen asleep yet. "

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I have noticed that i will place a post and somehow it will mysteriously be removed, How is this happening?

C, With your Netscape 4.04 when you read a post it marks it as read and you have it set to show unread messages. If you want to save your messages click on the dot after the subject once they are read to make it green. All messages expire after a while (1-2 weeks) and are removed by your ISP. — Bob Visit my information & link page at http://twilight.webbernet.net/~gooteebob/index_html.htm

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If you need to read some older back posts try DEJA NEWS.  They archive past stuff & have stuff going quite a ways back.  You might try them if you need to read or re-read a past post.  Hope this helps! Good luck! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have noticed that i will place a post and somehow it will mysteriously be removed, How is this happening? C, With your Netscape 4.04 when you read a post it marks it as read and you have it set to show unread messages. If you want to save your messages click on the dot after the subject once they are read to make it green. All messages expire after a while (1-2 weeks) and are removed by your ISP. — Bob

Peace & have a nice day!  Cheryl Harrell Personal Quote: "Cheryl,  huh?"  By: My folksinger friend ADG "Support Finding A Cure For Diabetes".   By:  ME ****NO SPAM PLEASE! THANK YOU! ****  :)

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Sorry for always posting such goofy questions, but someone told me that because antacids neutralize your stomach acid, you don’t process or digest your food properly, thereby causing your body to absorb and retain the calories, which equals weight gain if taken for an extended period.  ( The bottle of Tums do say not to take for more than 2 weeks…)

Never heard that. But antacids like cimetidine (tagamet), omeprazole (prilosec), and famotidine (pepcid) can aid weight loss because they block H-2 histamine receptors. Here’s a medline: Acta Physiol Scand 1997 Dec;161(4):489-494 H2-receptor antagonist reduces food intake and weight gain in rats by non-gastric acid secretory mechanisms. Stoa-Birketvedt G, Lovhaug N, Vonen B, Florholmen J Laboratory of Gastroenterology, University of Tromso, Norway. The H2-receptor antagonist cimetidine reduces appetite and weight in overweight healthy subjects and in overweight subjects with type II diabetes mellitus. The aim of this study was to characterize the mechanisms of this effect in rodents. Drugs were administered three times a day, 30 min before 1 h periods of free access to food. In one group of rats (n = 9), cimetidine (8 mg) treatment resulted in significantly lower cumulative food intake than in a control group (n = 9). The total intakes of food during the observation period of 22 days were 325.3 +/- 29.1 g and 346.3 +/- 16.7 g in the cimetidine and control groups, respectively. During the observation period, the weight gain in the cimetidine group was 63.3 +/- 15.8 g, which was significantly lower than the weight gain of 74.8 +/- 14.2 g in the control group, i.e. the cimetidine induced a 15.4% reduction in the weight gain during the observation period of 22 days. The weight gained per weight of food ingested was 0.20 +/- 0.04 (g/g) and 0.22 +/- 0.04 (g/g) in the cimetidine and control groups, respectively (NS). In other experiments, ranitidine (3 mg) and famotidine (0.4 mg), but not omeprazole (0.4 mg), taken three times a day for 8 days reduced the weight gain when compared with a control group (n = 7 in each group). We therefore conclude that the effects of the H2-receptor antagonists are not mediated by inhibitory mechanisms on the gastric acid secretion. PMID: 9429656, UI: 98091491 As an aside, antihistmines used for allergies block H-1 histamine receptors, and can cause weight gain. Barbara Barbara Hirsch, Publisher Obesity Meds and Research News OMR Web Site: http://www.obesity-news.com

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Sorry for always posting such goofy questions, but someone told me that because antacids neutralize your stomach acid, you don’t process or digest your food properly, thereby causing your body to absorb and retain the calories, which equals weight gain if taken for an extended period.  ( The bottle of Tums do say not to take for more than 2 weeks…) Can these really affect the way we digest food?

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So, let’s see if some of you non-chemistry impaired types can answer this one… It seems to me that Lispro will be too fast for me to use in my pump. Regular insulin is too slow.  What would the result be from mixing them?  Would there       be a bad interaction, or will one end up with an insulin with moderated characteristics?

I would be very leary of mixing Lis-Pro with ANY other form of insulin. However I’ll let Speaker go into details as I strongly suspect he can teach me a thing or fifty about it in his spare time. I do question why it’s too fast for your pump however.  Seems a minor change of schedule should work with a pump.  However,  Not a pump expert —          "Nothing adds excitement to your life like something          that is clearly none of your business!"     Battista

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So, let’s see if some of you non-chemistry impaired types can answer this one… It seems to me that Lispro will be too fast for me to use in my pump. Regular insulin is too slow.  What would the result be from mixing them?  Would there   be a bad interaction, or will one end up with an insulin with moderated characteristics? What do you think, Speaker?  Others?            

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Actually, the article that was written in the Diabetes Care Journal (a professional manual)  on testing LysPro stated that the best use of the Lyspro insulin was when it was mixed with regular insulin. The best results for straight lyspro insulin was when used with quickly digested carbos.         Low Fat < 10%  Lyspro worked best taken straight.         Medium fat 30%-40% diets lyspro/regular in a 50/50 mixture             worked best here.         Heavy fat diets (50%) there were insulin reaction occuring             when lyspro was taken with only.  Best results were splitting             the regular dose as 30 minutes prior and the remainder 1/2             hour after the meal.   Heavy fat is like thin crust             pizza, or a pint of Ben & Jerry’s Ice Cream.   The results were evaluated based on requiring more food/insulin to correct BGs.  Resulting in better control overall.   Many of the subjects in the study had BG that were out of control from the start.  Through the education and adapting a new routine their control improved across the board.  Which I thought was somewhat misleading results. Rick

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:   : I’ve only been in Egypt and Jordan during Ramadan. In those countries, : most places catering to the local people were closed during the day, but : hotels and restaurants patrnized mostly by tourists were open regular : hours. Other countries are probably more strict. :   i have been all over indonesia ….the country with the largest muslim population in the world during ramadan….and there was not a problem there.

I plan to go to Atjeh this year and I hear people there are a bit strict about ramadan-rules. Can anybody tell me when ramadan is this year?   Rob Ruggenberg       The  Netherlands                 Nothing is so firmly believed as that which we least know.   (Michel de Montaigne)

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:   : Does anybody have any experience traveling in Muslim countires during : Ramadan?  Any advice for a hypoglycemic? :  

The only area I had problems in was Aceh, in northern Sumatra. People got a bit uptight during Ramadan. Nice at other times, though. Bali and western Lombok are predominantly non-Muslim.

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:   : Does anybody have any experience traveling in Muslim countires during : Ramadan?  Any advice for a hypoglycemic? :   : I’ve only been in Egypt and Jordan during Ramadan. In those countries, : most places catering to the local people were closed during the day, but : hotels and restaurants patrnized mostly by tourists were open regular : hours. Other countries are probably more strict. :   i have been all over indonesia ….the country with the largest muslim population in the world during ramadan….and there was not a problem there. they also have other religions well represented…and as such the restaurants still serve people, and could even get a beer. it was actually great…on ternate/tidore (large muslin population) in the moluccas, the day that ramadan ended…the end of the fast was fabulous. —                                    * "Tourists don’t know where they’ve *                                    *  been, travelers don’t know where  *                                    *  they’re going"                    *                                    *  paul theroux – the happy isles of *                                    *                oceania             *

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I travelled in Malaysia during Ramadan and the only inconvenience was that the Muslim restaurants opened later.  It was interesting to see the buffet patrons waiting with full plates for the appropriate time to start eating. I’m not sure about the hypoglycemia, but I have diabetes and found lots of good food choices. Bon Voyage. — Fred Glick Fraser Valley Produce Ltd. Fraser Valley Juice & Salad

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Does anybody have any experience traveling in Muslim countires during Ramadan?  Any advice for a hypoglycemic?

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Does anybody have any experience traveling in Muslim countires during Ramadan?  Any advice for a hypoglycemic?

I’ve only been in Egypt and Jordan during Ramadan. In those countries, most places catering to the local people were closed during the day, but hotels and restaurants patrnized mostly by tourists were open regular hours. Other countries are probably more strict. Robert Ferguson, Chicago

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