Diabetes Talking

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nothing worth repeating bugger off spammer commercial postings are forbidden on this newsgroup complaints filed Vicki

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Spam heads arent as bad as virus-heads but almost as bad . tim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m sorry you feel this way about yourself Bob. Most people are happy to make their own judgements in life, but sadly negative individuals like yourself are all to ready to extol their  opinions on the world. I hope you have a nice life, albeit likely to be a very sad one, by the sound of your posts. Regards Barry Rule 1: Spammers lie. Rule 2: See rule 1. Rule 3: Spammers are s-t-o-o-p-i-d. More seriously, the old "I’m rubber, you’re glue, what you say about me bounces off and lands on you" school of rejecting insults went out with learning to tie your shoes. Ohh, I forgot. You’re an Herba-Life pyramid scheme spammer. Never mind those untied laces on your feet, we’re goint to a "special" class now just for you and the NONI JUICE spammers…..

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I’m sorry you feel this way about yourself Bob. Most people are happy to make their own judgements in life, but sadly negative individuals like yourself are all to ready to extol their opinions on the world. I hope you have a nice life, albeit likely to be a very sad one, by the sound of your posts.

  Insults to me from…     A lying, thieving spammer…       Mean nothing at all. — I hate spam, but that isn’t really part of my email address.  Remove the string "HatesSpam" from this email Ever wonder what it’d be like to be a blood-sucking parasite? http://tinyurl.com/7wxk

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I’m sorry you feel this way about yourself Bob. Most people are happy to make their own judgements in life, but sadly negative individuals like yourself are all to ready to extol their opinions on the world. I hope you have a nice life, albeit likely to be a very sad one, by the sound of your posts. Regards Barry

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   Spamming criminal…     Tries to sell us more snake oil.       He thinks we’re suckers. — I hate spam, but that isn’t really part of my email address.  Remove the string "HatesSpam" from this email Ever wonder what it’d be like to be a blood-sucking parasite? http://tinyurl.com/7wxk

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I’m sorry you feel this way about yourself Bob. Most people are happy to make their own judgements in life, but sadly negative individuals like yourself are all to ready to extol their opinions on the world. I hope you have a nice life, albeit likely to be a very sad one, by the sound of your posts. Regards Barry

Rule 1: Spammers lie. Rule 2: See rule 1. Rule 3: Spammers are s-t-o-o-p-i-d. More seriously, the old "I’m rubber, you’re glue, what you say about me bounces off and lands on you" school of rejecting insults went out with learning to tie your shoes. Ohh, I forgot. You’re an Herba-Life pyramid scheme spammer. Never mind those untied laces on your feet, we’re goint to a "special" class now just for you and the NONI JUICE spammers…..

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  Spamming criminal…     Tries to sell us more snake oil.       He thinks we’re suckers.

Ooh!  cynical haiku.  Somehow, just hits the spot perfectly.  ;-) jb, still lurking

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  Spamming criminal…     Tries to sell us more snake oil.       He thinks we’re suckers. — I hate spam, but that isn’t really part of my email address.  Remove the string "HatesSpam" from this email Ever wonder what it’d be like to be a blood-sucking parasite? http://tinyurl.com/7wxk

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No, and Bigpond frown upon spam, do your usuals.

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To all Aussie diabetics. diabetics that have had fantastic results. Some have reduced insulin intake, and some have ceased as they no longer require it. No commitment. Just information. Regards Barry

isn’t there an aussie agency hat goes after scammers like this? Mack Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org  In tribute to the United States of America and the State  of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and  terrorism.

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To all Aussie diabetics. diabetics that have had fantastic results. Some have reduced insulin intake, and some have ceased as they no longer require it. No commitment. Just information. Regards Barry

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Im in total agreement with you GUY! Conni Brady www.bradymax.com/nzaa Aspartame Awareness

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – snip I think the money in this game is a problem.  Too much money–too little to show for it.                                            Guy Years ago, something like twenty years, on TV a guy said there will never be found a cure for cancer.  Cancer makes too many people rich.  Maybe diabetes is the same, Guy. Paddy

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – snip I think the money in this game is a problem.  Too much money–too little to show for it.                                            Guy Years ago, something like twenty years, on TV a guy said there will never be found a cure for cancer.  Cancer makes too many people rich.  Maybe diabetes is the same, Guy. Paddy

I do not go that far.   But I have seen in the past where excess money going to the wrong people hinders research.  It is a case of "I have a good deal and I am not upsetting the apple cart.  And I will use every legal trick to not let anyone upset my apple cart. Our lack of cures comes down to our ignorance.  No TV script will cure anything.  Saying  "I am the greatest and being the greatest are very different". Good people are out there, but a lot of self serving bums.                                                    Guy

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There are tons of data on diabetes but my experience says it is poorly understood.  The results in patients leads me in that direction.  Too many people with pat answers and no results. It is OK to discuss theories as long as we know what they are. We a not at a definitive answer but a lot of pat answers that are very incomplete.  This deficiency results in every money grubber getting rich.  People are grasping at straws. I think the money in this game is a problem.  Too much money–too little to show for it.                                            Guy

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snip I think the money in this game is a problem.  Too much money–too little to show for it.                                            Guy

Years ago, something like twenty years, on TV a guy said there will never be found a cure for cancer.  Cancer makes too many people rich.  Maybe diabetes is the same, Guy. Paddy

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Hello! I found these low carb bagels by ‘Todd’s Organic Bread’.  Not really bagel like, but still very good! and 1 effective carb per half bagel??? Does anyone see hidden carbs in this???  Am I missing anything?? serving size 1/2 bagel calorie 143   fat cal 39 Total fat 4 g    sat fat 1 g Total carbs 7 g    fiber 6g    sugar 1 g protein 19g Thanks much, Dana

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Oh yeah…and would these be appropriate for induction?? =) Dana – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello! I found these low carb bagels by ‘Todd’s Organic Bread’.  Not really bagel like, but still very good! and 1 effective carb per half bagel??? Does anyone see hidden carbs in this???  Am I missing anything?? serving size 1/2 bagel calorie 143  fat cal 39 Total fat 4 g   sat fat 1 g Total carbs 7 g   fiber 6g   sugar 1 g protein 19g Thanks much, Dana

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello! I found these low carb bagels by ‘Todd’s Organic Bread’.  Not really bagel like, but still very good! and 1 effective carb per half bagel??? Does anyone see hidden carbs in this???  Am I missing anything?? serving size 1/2 bagel calorie 143   fat cal 39 Total fat 4 g    sat fat 1 g Total carbs 7 g    fiber 6g    sugar 1 g protein 19g

You can find the hidden carbs for yourself.    143 — total calories   – 39 — calories from fat _______    104 — has to be calories from protein and carbs   – 76 — calories from protein (4×19) ——-     28 — calories from carbs (or from *something*) Now divide 28/4 and you get 7, the number of carb grams on the label. What this tells you is that Todd has conveniently subtracted out the fiber for you. This product really has 13 grams of carb, of which 6 are fiber and 7 are ‘effective’ carbs. — AF "Non Sequitur U has a really, really lousy debate team."               –artyw raises the bar on rec.sport.baseball

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Does anyone see hidden carbs in this???  Am I missing anything??

When I do the math I come out with 9.5 grams carb. 143 cal – 39 cal from the fat = 104 cal. 104 cal = (19 * 4) cal from the protein = 104 – 76 = 28 cal to be accounted for by carb. 28 divided by 4 = 7 cal from carb. It appears they already subtracted the fiber for you. .. Bridget M. Atkins maintenance for life.

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Oh yeah…and would these be appropriate for induction??

Read the ingredients list. If anything on the list is not on the list of induction foods, just wait the two weeks and introduce them in OWL, for your safest bet for good success. I figure, It’s just two weeks, so why set yourself up to fail over a bagel? .. Bridget M. Atkins maintenance for life.

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Does anyone see hidden carbs in this???  Am I missing anything?? When I do the math I come out with 9.5 grams carb. 143 cal – 39 cal from the fat = 104 cal. 104 cal = (19 * 4) cal from the protein = 104 – 76 = 28 cal to be accounted for by carb. 28 divided by 4 = 7 cal from carb. It appears they already subtracted the fiber for you. .. Bridget M. Atkins maintenance for life.

The math behind the "real" carb count confuses the heck out of me.  Why wouldn’t you count that bagel as 7g’s of carbs?  You get 20+ in a day?  I just don’t understand why you would not count the fiber grams?  Yea they are better for you then the sugar grams…but a carb is a carb is a carb…and I count all of em. What do other think of that?  Am I alone in left field with this one?? Tks! s

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BTW – I’m talking after induction of course

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone see hidden carbs in this???  Am I missing anything?? When I do the math I come out with 9.5 grams carb. 143 cal – 39 cal from the fat = 104 cal. 104 cal = (19 * 4) cal from the protein = 104 – 76 = 28 cal to be accounted for by carb. 28 divided by 4 = 7 cal from carb. It appears they already subtracted the fiber for you. .. Bridget M. Atkins maintenance for life. The math behind the "real" carb count confuses the heck out of me.  Why wouldn’t you count that bagel as 7g’s of carbs?  You get 20+ in a day?  I just don’t understand why you would not count the fiber grams?  Yea they are better for you then the sugar grams…but a carb is a carb is a carb…and I count all of em. What do other think of that?  Am I alone in left field with this one?? Tks! s

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The math behind the "real" carb count confuses the heck out of me.  Why wouldn’t you count that bagel as 7g’s of carbs?  You get 20+ in a day?  I just don’t understand why you would not count the fiber grams?  Yea they are better for you then the sugar grams…but a carb is a carb is a carb…and I count all of em. What do other think of that?  Am I alone in left field with this one??

You don’t metabolize the fiber grams.  They go right through you. Priscilla — "I don’t feel comfortable with a boot with my name on it on the throat of the rest of the world."  – Alan Winston in rec.arts.sf.fandom

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The math behind the "real" carb count confuses the heck out of me.  Why wouldn’t you count that bagel as 7g’s of carbs?  You get 20+ in a day? I just don’t understand why you would not count the fiber grams?  Yea they are better for you then the sugar grams…but a carb is a carb is a carb…and I count all of em. What do other think of that?  Am I alone in left field with this one?? You don’t metabolize the fiber grams.  They go right through you. Priscilla —

wow…that is cool….so fiber grams you can be more lax about counting? I’m happy because I’ve been needing fiber lately (if you know what I mean) and I really didn’t want to break the diet because I’m on a good weight loss run. I was thinking of adding metamucil (sp?) or kidney beans…..is this ok? tks – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "I don’t feel comfortable with a boot with my name on it on the throat of the rest of the world."  – Alan Winston in rec.arts.sf.fandom

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wow…that is cool….so fiber grams you can be more lax about counting? I’m happy because I’ve been needing fiber lately (if you know what I mean) and I really didn’t want to break the diet because I’m on a good weight loss run. I was thinking of adding metamucil (sp?) or kidney beans…..is this ok?

Know what works best for me?  Broccoli!  I try to eat some at least every other day.  Kidney beans are carby, but they do have a lot of fiber – they’re not for use during Induction.  Metamucil is okay, as long as it’s not sweetened with sugar.  A lot of people here use either psyllium husks or ground flax seed for fiber.  The ones who do will probably be posting some specifics for you. Carol — Type 2 Diabetic since 5-15-2001 Atkins since 1-26-2003 226/209/150

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone see hidden carbs in this???  Am I missing anything?? When I do the math I come out with 9.5 grams carb. 143 cal – 39 cal from the fat = 104 cal. 104 cal = (19 * 4) cal from the protein = 104 – 76 = 28 cal to be accounted for by carb. 28 divided by 4 = 7 cal from carb. It appears they already subtracted the fiber for you. .. Bridget M. Atkins maintenance for life. The math behind the "real" carb count confuses the heck out of me.  Why wouldn’t you count that bagel as 7g’s of carbs?  You get 20+ in a day?  I just don’t understand why you would not count the fiber grams?  Yea they are better for you then the sugar grams…but a carb is a carb is a carb…and I count all of em.

Well, if you were counting all of the carbs in this bagel you’d be counting 13, including the 6 grams of fiber! — AF "Non Sequitur U has a really, really lousy debate team."               –artyw raises the bar on rec.sport.baseball

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The math behind the "real" carb count confuses the heck out of me.  Why wouldn’t you count that bagel as 7g’s of carbs?  You get 20+ in a day? I just don’t understand why you would not count the fiber grams?  Yea they are better for you then the sugar grams…but a carb is a carb is a carb…and I count all of em. What do other think of that?  Am I alone in left field with this one?? You don’t metabolize the fiber grams.  They go right through you. wow…that is cool….so fiber grams you can be more lax about counting?

You don’t count them at all.  If they’ve been included in the carb total, subtract them out.  Now, they’re sometimes *already* subtracted out, so you need to be careful.  In the US, you’ll usually see the number for fiber indented under the carb heading.  That means their carbs are included in the total carbs and you should subtract them to get the net carbs.  If they’re not indented, that means they’re not included, and you must count the full amount listed for carbs.  From the calculations given in responses to the OP, it sounds like the fiber was not counted in the carb total, although the OP presented the number as indented.  I find this confusing.  Either the person who printed the label didn’t understand they shouldn’t have indented it, or the OP didn’t replicate the label accurately. I’m happy because I’ve been needing fiber lately (if you know what I mean) and I really didn’t want to break the diet because I’m on a good weight loss run. I was thinking of adding metamucil (sp?) or kidney beans…..is this ok?

Kidney beans are rather carbolicious, so I’d stay away from them myself.   Metamucil should be fine. Hope this helps! Priscilla — "I don’t feel comfortable with a boot with my name on it on the throat of the rest of the world."  – Alan Winston in rec.arts.sf.fandom

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello! I found these low carb bagels by ‘Todd’s Organic Bread’.  Not really bagel like, but still very good! and 1 effective carb per half bagel??? Does anyone see hidden carbs in this???  Am I missing anything?? serving size 1/2 bagel calorie 143   fat cal 39 Total fat 4 g    sat fat 1 g Total carbs 7 g    fiber 6g    sugar 1 g protein 19g Thanks much, Dana

If there was such a bagel we would have known about it on this group long ago.  To begin with, the math does not work out — is is a deceptive label.  There are many of us who crave bagels but have just had to do without.  There are constant queries as to where a truly low carb bagel might exist — so far no go! — Diagnosed Type II Diabetes March 5 2001 Beating it with diet and exercise! 297/215/210 (to be revised lower) 58"/43"(!)/44" (already lower too!) Visit my HomePage at http://members.shaw.ca/finkirv/ Visit my very special website at http://members.shaw.ca/finkirv4/ Visit my CFSRS/CFIOG ONLINE OLDTIMERS website at http://members.shaw.ca/finkirv5/ Irv Finkleman, Grampa/Ex-Navy/Old Fart/Ham Radio VE6BP Calgary, Alberta, Canada

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone see hidden carbs in this???  Am I missing anything?? When I do the math I come out with 9.5 grams carb. 143 cal – 39 cal from the fat = 104 cal. 104 cal = (19 * 4) cal from the protein = 104 – 76 = 28 cal to be accounted for by carb. 28 divided by 4 = 7 cal from carb. It appears they already subtracted the fiber for you. .. Bridget M. Atkins maintenance for life. The math behind the "real" carb count confuses the heck out of me.  Why wouldn’t you count that bagel as 7g’s of carbs?  You get 20+ in a day?  I just don’t understand why you would not count the fiber grams?  Yea they are better for you then the sugar grams…but a carb is a carb is a carb…and I count all of em. Well, if you were counting all of the carbs in this bagel you’d be counting 13, including the 6 grams of fiber!

But the fiber was indented, which in the US means it was included in the carb total and should therefore be subtracted out. Priscilla — "I don’t feel comfortable with a boot with my name on it on the throat of the rest of the world."  – Alan Winston in rec.arts.sf.fandom

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Thank you, I’ll stick to that…. =) Dana – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh yeah…and would these be appropriate for induction?? Read the ingredients list. If anything on the list is not on the list of induction foods, just wait the two weeks and introduce them in OWL, for your safest bet for good success. I figure, It’s just two weeks, so why set yourself up to fail over a bagel? .. Bridget M. Atkins maintenance for life.

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Ugh!!! I knew it was too good to be true….glad I ran out and ate a WHOLE one…<sigh ok…starting my "do over"…. because now that this has been brought to my attention, my 20g a day has been blown outta the water by 14g!!! <Climbing on stair climber $h!t Thanks all Dana – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello! I found these low carb bagels by ‘Todd’s Organic Bread’.  Not really bagel like, but still very good! and 1 effective carb per half bagel??? Does anyone see hidden carbs in this???  Am I missing anything?? serving size 1/2 bagel calorie 143  fat cal 39 Total fat 4 g   sat fat 1 g Total carbs 7 g   fiber 6g   sugar 1 g protein 19g You can find the hidden carbs for yourself.   143 — total calories  - 39 — calories from fat _______   104 — has to be calories from protein and carbs  - 76 — calories from protein (4×19) ——-    28 — calories from carbs (or from *something*) Now divide 28/4 and you get 7, the number of carb grams on the label. What this tells you is that Todd has conveniently subtracted out the fiber for you. This product really has 13 grams of carb, of which 6 are fiber and 7 are ‘effective’ carbs.

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You can find the hidden carbs for yourself.   143 — total calories  - 39 — calories from fat _______   104 — has to be calories from protein and carbs  - 76 — calories from protein (4×19) ——-    28 — calories from carbs (or from *something*) Now divide 28/4 and you get 7, the number of carb grams on the label. What this tells you is that Todd has conveniently subtracted out the fiber for you. This product really has 13 grams of carb, of which 6 are fiber and 7 are ‘effective’ carbs.

I don’t think this is right. If you look at any food count book….I use Corinne Netzer’s The Complete Book of Food Counts….it shows that fiber carbs have the same calorie count as any other carbs so that with this bagel, you have 39 calories from fat 76 calories from protein 28 calories from carbs 143 total calories That’s exactly what they say it has and there’s no reason that six of the carb grams or 24 calories aren’t from fiber.I don’t see any hidden carbs here. Hidden carbs are when you add up the fat grams x 9, the protein grams x 4 and the carb grams x 4 and get a higher number of calories than show on the package.  I don’t know these bagels but from the information the original poster has given, it comes out right. I’d be interested in seeing the ingredients list for the bagel. Kitty. Kitty.

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:: ::: wow…that is cool….so fiber grams you can be more lax about ::: counting? ::: ::: I’m happy because I’ve been needing fiber lately (if you know what ::: I mean) and I really didn’t want to break the diet because I’m on a ::: good weight loss run. ::: ::: I was thinking of adding metamucil (sp?) or kidney beans…..is ::: this ok? :: :: Know what works best for me?  Broccoli!  I try to eat some at least Broccoli work great for me!  I eat it every day, mostly.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I don’t think this is right. If you look at any food count book….I use Corinne Netzer’s The Complete Book of Food Counts….it shows that fiber carbs have the same calorie count as any other carbs so that with this bagel, you have 39 calories from fat 76 calories from protein 28 calories from carbs 143 total calories That’s exactly what they say it has and there’s no reason that six of the carb grams or 24 calories aren’t from fiber.I don’t see any hidden carbs here. Hidden carbs are when you add up the fat grams x 9, the protein grams x 4 and the carb grams x 4 and get a higher number of calories than show on the package.  I don’t know these bagels but from the information the original poster has given, it comes out right. I’d be interested in seeing the ingredients list for the bagel.

Screwed up that last paragraph. Hidden carbs are when you add up the fat grams x 9, the protein grams x 4 and the carb grams x 4 and get a smaller number of calories than shown on the package. The missing calories are usually considered to be carb calories. In any case, I’d still like to see the ingredient list. Kitty.

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Organic Soy flour, Soy protein, water, Organic Whole Wheat flour, Wheat Gluten, Organic Oat Bran, Wheat bran, Organic Rye, Organic Flax Seeds, Organic Sesame Seeds, Pumkin Seeds, salt, Yeast, Vinegar Web site on packing    www.toddsorganicbread.com Again…Thanks for all the help!! Dana

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone see hidden carbs in this???  Am I missing anything?? When I do the math I come out with 9.5 grams carb. 143 cal – 39 cal from the fat = 104 cal. 104 cal = (19 * 4) cal from the protein = 104 – 76 = 28 cal to be accounted for by carb. 28 divided by 4 = 7 cal from carb. It appears they already subtracted the fiber for you. .. Bridget M. Atkins maintenance for life. The math behind the "real" carb count confuses the heck out of me.  Why wouldn’t you count that bagel as 7g’s of carbs?  You get 20+ in a day?  I just don’t understand why you would not count the fiber grams?  Yea they are better for you then the sugar grams…but a carb is a carb is a carb…and I count all of em. Well, if you were counting all of the carbs in this bagel you’d be counting 13, including the 6 grams of fiber! But the fiber was indented, which in the US means it was included in the carb total and should therefore be subtracted out.

That’s what it’s *supposed* to mean. Unfortunately, as Lee Rodgers regularly points out, sometimes labels lie. That’s why you want to check it out. Here’s another reduced carb bread product: Beefsteak Light Rye. The label says 80 cal (per serving of 2 slices), 10 from fat; 17 g/carb of which 5 are fiber. Here’s the arithmetic:   80 — total calories   10 — calories from fat  ______   70 — calories from carbs and protein   20 — calories from 5 g/protein  ______   50 — remaining calories, presumably from carbs 50/4 is 12.5 suggesting that there are 12.5 g/carb, which is pretty close to 17-5, considering all the ways label makers are allowed to round off their numbers. So, in this instance, the fiber *hasn’t* been subtracted from total carbs. Nor is it included in the calorie count on the label. — AF "Non Sequitur U has a really, really lousy debate team."               –artyw raises the bar on rec.sport.baseball

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Do you ever tried Shirataki noodles? Shirataki noodles is kind of Japanese traditional noodles, which was made by pure soluble fiber konjac glucomannan, the noodles does not have starch, no sugar, no fat, only soluble fiber and water, so the noodles does not have caloreis. You can get the noodles in most Japanese supermarket or You can even make the noodles by yourself according the online recipes:http://www.konjacfoods.com/konjac.htm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – :: ::: wow…that is cool….so fiber grams you can be more lax about ::: counting? ::: ::: I’m happy because I’ve been needing fiber lately (if you know what ::: I mean) and I really didn’t want to break the diet because I’m on a ::: good weight loss run. ::: ::: I was thinking of adding metamucil (sp?) or kidney beans…..is ::: this ok? :: :: Know what works best for me?  Broccoli!  I try to eat some at least Broccoli work great for me!  I eat it every day, mostly.

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I often find that many people don’t give the natural craving suppression that a true LC diet offers, an honest to goodness chance.  They lack belief in what a real change in the way of eating can do.  My advice is, please don’t "stock up" on all the substitute versions of carbohydrate loaded foods.  The Atkins’ two week induction period of meat, vegetables and fats has a real purpose: to get rid of your body’s cravings for these things.  So don’t be afraid, "deprivation" is not inevitable on this WOE. If you allow your body to do this, you will reach a point where even green peppers will taste sweet and sugary.  I know that I do.  I find many things sweet on their own which many people feel they need to pour splenda all over to make it sweet "enough". I know you can do it.  You don’t have to give up bagels forever if you don’t want to, just for a while to see if you can really allow the cravings to go away.

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I’m a type-2. Is it ok for a diabetic to take honey? Is taking honey akin to taking

sugar? Yep.  Basically the same thing in terms of affecting BG.  That doesn’t mean you can’t have either one.  You just have to account for it in your diet. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/ Julie Bove, posting from new account

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To everyone who replied to my questions, a big THANK YOU. Best regards.

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I’m a type-2. Is it ok for a diabetic to take honey? Is taking honey akin to taking sugar? As diabetics we watch and count carbs.  Have you got a carb counting book? They are invaluable.  Yes honey is like taking sugar.  A quick rise in bg, handy for hypos.

 I thouht honey was a lot lower on the glycemic index scale than sugar. Something to consider when treating a hypo.  –Jeremy

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —— Original Message —– Newsgroups: misc.health.diabetes Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 9:07 PM says… Is it ok for a diabetic to take honey? Is taking honey akin to taking sugar? Tough question to answer.  But I will try,  Backwards. Yes, honey contains a lot of sugar, As I understand it volume for volume it has about 1/2 the carbs of table sugar… It also has 1/2 the sweetness so you tend to use twice as much and the net effect is zero. ZERO??? Don’t you mean the net effect is the SAME as sugar? If the net effect WAS zero, I’d be pouring it into coffee like there was no tomorrow, because it would have ZERO effect. You need to spend more time on getting things right than getting them written dwon in words we can’t understand John. Confusion like this isn’t needed. That said.  No where is it written that you can’t use either honey or sugar, IN MODERATION… Just don’t empty the entire jar in one day But better you DON’T use it, don’t you agree? Beav

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I’m a type-2. Is it ok for a diabetic to take honey? Is taking honey akin to taking

sugar? In a word:-) Honey will do as much damage as sugar, or it’ll do as much GOOD as sugar, depending on what your blood sugar level is at the time you use it. Avoid it like the plague, unless you’re hypo. Beav

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I’m a type-2. Is it ok for a diabetic to take honey? Is taking honey akin totaking sugar? As diabetics we watch and count carbs. Have you got a carb counting book?

I’m a type-2 also, were can you get such a book? Thanks Jim

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I’m a type-2 also, were can you get such a book?

Any bookstore or online through Amazon or Barnes & Noble.  Try Corinne T. Netzger’s Complete Book of Food Counts (paperback, $7.50 from Barnes & Noble).

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says… Is it ok for a diabetic to take honey? Is taking honey akin to taking sugar?

Tough question to answer.  But I will try,  Backwards. Yes, honey contains a lot of sugar, As I understand it volume for volume it has about 1/2 the carbs of table sugar… It also has 1/2 the sweetness so you tend to use twice as much and the net effect is zero. That said.  No where is it written that you can’t use either honey or sugar, IN MODERATION… Just don’t empty the entire jar in one day (As for how much you can take in a day…. I’ll leave that up to the experts) —               John F Davis in Delightful Detroit        Remove the obvious parts if replying via E-mail    Diabetic?  Visit http://go.compuserve.com/diabetesforum     No membership needed to read, AOL-IM members can post

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I’m a type-2. Is it ok for a diabetic to take honey? Is taking honey akin to taking sugar? Thank you.

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I’m a type-2. Is it ok for a diabetic to take honey? Is taking honey akin to

taking sugar? As diabetics we watch and count carbs.  Have you got a carb counting book? They are invaluable.  Yes honey is like taking sugar.  A quick rise in bg, handy for hypos.

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I seriously don’t believe in the ONE.  I think there are many people in the world with whom a person could be happy and maintain a lifetime commitment. Head over heels in love feelings are sooooo American. Nichole–in Montana

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Anyway … the point is … how did you know that he/she was "the one"?

He’s the rest of me. There was no question at all. If there is a question or hint of a doubt, he’s not the one. (Been there done that, and really screwed up several lives because of it.) Listen to your heart. It knows what it’s doing. CAD 2/94 LC 7/01 188/167/126

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Bridget, as always, your response is thoughtful and insightful. Thank you again. I don’t have doubts, to be honest.  hehe.  I just … well, I am just curious, I guess. Meghan 160/146/140 CAD since 8/6/01 — "I can tell a factory worker to show up at 7:00 a.m. sharp and produce. But I can’t tell a researcher or engineer to show up at 7:00 a.m. and have a creative idea." — Akio Morita, co-founder of Sony (1921-1999)

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I’m 23.  Recently I started dating someone I’ve known for 7 years, and who has liked me for 7 years (he said even before the weight loss he always thought I looked good).  And I just like him a lot.  And it’s not like the usual way I like someone.  I just feel good to be around him.  I just feel good to talk to him.  It’s strange.  And we’re a lot alike. Anyway … the point is … how did you know that he/she was "the

one"? I’m far from beig Dr. Laura .. but IMHO if you have to ask this question, he’ definitely *not* the one! — Peter LC Home Page:  http://www.angelfire.com/nc3/marengo Please Sign My Guest book!

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Thanks again guys for the help.  This relationship is so new for me in so many ways.  I was dating someone for a year who really didn’t make me happy.  And now, it’s like "Where were you all this time?"  ha!  So, it’s really great to get to spend more time with him, when it’s just us. For the first time I can say I don’t just lust after him.  I mean, I just like being around him.  I really really appreciate all this advice.  Seriously.  I don’t want to rush into anything with him, I mean, my emotions aren’t all out of control or anything.  I just have this warm feeling when I think of him, like I just want to be sharing the moment with him.  It’s great. I’m going to get that book tonight!!!  I’m going to reward myself for breaking through my LONG stall and getting down to 142.5!! This has been a great week.  Thanks again for all your help. Meghan 160/146/140 CAD since 8/6/01 — "I can tell a factory worker to show up at 7:00 a.m. sharp and produce. But I can’t tell a researcher or engineer to show up at 7:00 a.m. and have a creative idea." — Akio Morita, co-founder of Sony (1921-1999)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I lurk a lot here and I feel like you guys are my friends and I need some advice. My parents are divorced, and never really lived together.  Everyone else in my family has somewhat "dysfunctional" relationships.  I love them to death, but I look at it and think "I don’t want that for myself." I’m 23.  Recently I started dating someone I’ve known for 7 years, and who has liked me for 7 years (he said even before the weight loss he always thought I looked good).  And I just like him a lot.  And it’s not like the usual way I like someone.  I just feel good to be around him.  I just feel good to talk to him.  It’s strange.  And we’re a lot alike. Anyway … the point is … how did you know that he/she was "the one"?

Because he was my best friend even before we became intimate and has remained so since.  We went through the worst period of our lives together and supported each other through it.  Our arguments are minor and limited and don’t degenerate into being nasty. He is kind to me as I am to him.  He cares about *me* – not just me being with him, but me myself – what is best for me. We talk about EVERYTHING.  And I mean everything.  You would not believe the strange conversations we’ve had… If I’m going to spend my entire life with someone, LIKING him is a heck of a lot more important than loving him or having hot sex or being all wildly romantic.

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Don’t know if you are familiar with author Barbara DeAngelis — some people don’t seem to care for her — but I got great value out of her book, "Are You the One for Me?" Though it’s a quick read, it gives you lots to think about. I wish you the best in your "new take on an old friend" relationship! (And I think that’s always a nice foundation — friendship. Shows you actually *like* each other — and not all couples can say that!) Mary M

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I lurk a lot here and I feel like you guys are my friends and I need some advice. My parents are divorced, and never really lived together.  Everyone else in my family has somewhat "dysfunctional" relationships.  I love them to death, but I look at it and think "I don’t want that for myself." I’m 23.  Recently I started dating someone I’ve known for 7 years, and who has liked me for 7 years (he said even before the weight loss he always thought I looked good).  And I just like him a lot.  And it’s not like the usual way I like someone.  I just feel good to be around him.  I just feel good to talk to him.  It’s strange.  And we’re a lot alike. Anyway … the point is … how did you know that he/she was "the one"? Thanks for any input on this guys. ps I made the Cheesy Shrimp Bisque last night and it was PHENOMENAL! Meghan 160/146/140 CAD since 8/6/01 — "I can tell a factory worker to show up at 7:00 a.m. sharp and produce. But I can’t tell a researcher or engineer to show up at 7:00 a.m. and have a creative idea." — Akio Morita, co-founder of Sony (1921-1999)

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a saying i once heard find the one you cant live without, not just the one you can live with JoKnows

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I lurk a lot here and I feel like you guys are my friends and I need some advice. My parents are divorced, and never really lived together.  Everyone else in my family has somewhat "dysfunctional" relationships.  I love them to death, but I look at it and think "I don’t want that for myself." I’m 23.  Recently I started dating someone I’ve known for 7 years, and who has liked me for 7 years (he said even before the weight loss he always thought I looked good).  And I just like him a lot.  And it’s not like the usual way I like someone.  I just feel good to be around him.  I just feel good to talk to him.  It’s strange.  And we’re a lot alike. Anyway … the point is … how did you know that he/she was "the one"? Thanks for any input on this guys. ps I made the Cheesy Shrimp Bisque last night and it was PHENOMENAL! Meghan 160/146/140 CAD since 8/6/01 — "I can tell a factory worker to show up at 7:00 a.m. sharp and produce. But I can’t tell a researcher or engineer to show up at 7:00 a.m. and have a creative idea." — Akio Morita, co-founder of Sony (1921-1999)

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I’m 23.  Recently I started dating someone I’ve known for 7 years, and who

hasliked me for 7 years (he said even before the weight loss he always thought Ilooked good).  And I just like him a lot.  And it’s not like the usual way Ilike someone.  I just feel good to be around him.  I just feel good to talk tohim.  It’s strange.  And we’re a lot alike. Anyway … the point is … how did you know that he/she was "the one"?

You just described my husband. . . Thanks for any input on this guys. ps I made the Cheesy Shrimp Bisque last night and it was PHENOMENAL!

I’ll keep that in mind. . . Meghan 160/146/140 CAD since 8/6/01

Kali Blonde

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Anyway … the point is … how did you know that he/she was "the one"?

DH and I had known one another for about 7 years – we played Dungeons and Dragons together (he the DM, me a player brought in to replace someone who had to drop the campaign) and soon considered ourselves friends – before we started to think about marriage. We spent 12 months deliberately courting one another with the idea that IF we still liked what we saw at the end of that year we’d talk marriage again.  We were living in different states at the time, and we’d talk on the phone or occasionally visit one another.  When we visited we did NOT sleep together, as we didn’t want sex to complicate the picture.  We were looking to see if we could spend time together, enjoy one another’s company.  Deal with the problems of each of our families, and problems there were in plenty!  From his brother, a once fit man starting in on the complications of type 1 diabetes (which eventually killed him aged 46) to my brother, a drug addict and (later diagnosed with) bipolar.  My father as a serial adulterer had soured me on men, especially coupled with my former fiance’s behaviour (he had started cheating on me within 2 months of our engagement).  His brother had gone through a painful divorce, my sister was going through one (her husband had walked on her, leaving her with a 2 yo, 1yo and 5 months pregnant, because he ‘couldn’t stand having 3 kids under 3′  Time got back at him, though.  His second wife recently gave birth to triplets.  Not IVF or fertility drugs, just ‘one of those things’. )  He was heavily involved with wargames (using miniature painted figures) and role-playing games and spendt most weekends involved in games and much of the rest of the time painting and preparing for the next one, I was heavily involved in the SCA and spent much of my free time creating costumes, making tasty tit-bits for the next feast and so on. At the end of that year we knew that we really cared for one another, although we didn’t feel that ‘flash of burning Lerve’ that others considered important.  We decided that we wanted to share our lives because we were good for one another.  We spent the next year engaged, pretty much as a test-period (although we still didn’t live in the same state) to make sure of our feelings.   At any point during this 2 years, we both felt free to call things off if we didn’t think marriage would be right. Next month, we celebrate our 9th anniversary.  Over the years, our love has grown stronger and deeper despite obstacles.  It will be 20 years before he can retire, but we’re already making Plans about what we’re going to do together when that happens. Aramanth

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Meghan, that was supposed to be "here OR personally" lo siento

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Thank you so much everyone.  I don’t want to rush anything, BELIEVE ME.  ha! But I just … I feel like I wonder how you know. He is the first guy I’ve dated who I don’t even notice what he looks like. Like my mom asked me if he was taller than me (I’m 5′9") and I couldn’t remember.  I mean, I know he’s not shorter than me, but I think we’re the same height.  I just notice that when we walk together, we have lots of things to talk about. I just like being around him.  And it’s a really wholesome feeling.  I’m so happy I can share this with you guys.  Thank you so much. BTW, Nichole I’m so happy for you!!!!! Meghan 160/146/140 CAD since 8/6/01 — "I can tell a factory worker to show up at 7:00 a.m. sharp and produce. But I can’t tell a researcher or engineer to show up at 7:00 a.m. and have a creative idea." — Akio Morita, co-founder of Sony (1921-1999)

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Anyway … the point is … how did you know that he/she was "the one"?

Date for a year. Don NOT consider marriage until that year is over. Then think long and hard about it. Get used to thinking of each other and being with each other. Don’t ask if they are the "one" until that year is over, unless their actions tell you they ain’t. Patience is worth it- a solid foundation is important. Honestly ask yourself some questions: If being with this person meant never ever having sex again, would you still want to be with this person? Is this person the first person you want to tell all your joys and sorrows? Will they be supportive of you without question, and have faith in you and your abilities? Are they willing to argue with you if they think you are wrong? Can you tell them anything? And I mean anything- from the worst trauma you ever endured to how many times you picked your nose in the last hour. Good communication is a MUST. Love isn’t the emotional high that you get by looking at each other through candlelight- it’s cleaning poopy diapers and mowing the lawn. It’s waking up in the morning with the same guy and washing his underwear. It’s knowing each others faults and loving them not in spite of their faults, but because of them. Wanting to share jokes or that good bit of what happened today- just because it’s them. Oh and, if you think they don’t have any faults? Get your head examined. -georg married to the same poor schmuck for five years

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Hi Meghan, I met my husband through my best friend, he was my best friend’s boyfriend’s best friend hahah.  We dated for 5 years, then got married last year.  I married my best friend, and I believe those marriages last a life time, because our marriage is not based on romance.  :-) Jenn

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I agree with Jenn.  I married my best friend and it wasn’t based on "lust" Kris

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Dear Meghan, Different cultures do love differently.  Some cultures do not marry for those "in love" feelings of which Americans are quite fond.  Don’t get me wrong, those feelings are very nice.  However, okay, let me just tell you about my experience instead of trying to offer advice that may not fit your needs. I work with a lot of foreigners.  I own my own business and I network with other people in India, Iran, Malaysia and other Mideastern and Asian countries.  Many of the people I work with are extremely bright and they know they can make a lot of money in the US, whereas in their own countries, their brilliance is not recognized with pay.  For an example, one dollar is worth forty-eight rupees, the currency of India.  A rupee is like an American dollar, but basically worthless.  Things are cheap and people are very educated but there is rarely a job that will pay them well.  Why did I tell you this story?  Well, many of them are looking for a way out, therefore, I get tons of proposals for marriage.  So, I never take anyone seriously.  For a while there, when I met a new contact, I would say, Okay, I’m not in the market for marriage.  This would get rid of a lot of people who contacted me on the guise of doing business with hopes of getting to the US.  Hey, this is a melting pot and I’m all for immigration, but I don’t want to marry for it.  I do a lot of H1 work, and B1, and help with K1, too, but I’m not going to marry someone for that reason.  And, I have been offered serious money to do so. Okay….  One day, I was on the net, attending to some work when someone came on and said Allah’u'Abha to me, which means The Glory of God and it is how many Baha’is greet each other.  Immediately, I knew that this person and I shared the same faith.  I said Allah’u'Abha back to him.  Turned out he was a web designer/programmer and we started working together.  I jokingly said to him, now, don’t fall in love with me, don’t ask me to marry you.  He is Persian and was raised in India.  But he’s here in this country (USA) already on an H1 visa, which means he will eventually get a green card without having to marry anyone to get it.  So we did a lot of work together with web design and importing deals.  He speaks Farsi, Hindi, and English, so he was a real asset to my business and we developed a nice friendship.  I totally trusted him and I started to kind of like him, but I certainly was not going to tell him that. This began in April.  I went east, to visit my family in Pennsylvania in July.  Shahram and I talked of meeting then.  I was nervous, though we were business associates.  Well, my plans got screwed around and I actually had to spend the first week of my three week stay in my old house (where I used to live with my ex husband).  Quite bizarre, though he and my little girl were at his parents’ farm for the week.  Anyway… For that week, I spent most of the time on the phone with Shahram and by the end of that week I really felt like I was in love with him.  It was so nice, because I really got to know him first.  I can to know that he is a very kind person, so kind, so very calm and a temper that is basically non-existent.  Very loving and sweet.  Oh gosh. By this time, he had told me he loved me and we had not yet met in person. Of course we exchanged professional photos in the course of our association. Well, when I finally made it down to Philadelphia, Shahram came on the train from New Jersey.  We spent the afternoon together and were so in tune, that he missed his train back to his home on purpose and we ended up staying awake all night, talking and thinking out loud with each other.  Next day, we had brunch, and I took him back to the train station.  I dropped him off there.  I didn’t want to take him inside and to his train… I thought he’d miss it again if I were along.  He asked me to marry him.  I said yes. A month went by, I returned to Montana, and we talked every day on the phone.  He came to visit and we spent two and a half weeks together. Everything was very good.  We faced some difficulties that we handled right away and it was the perfect amount of time to get things moving and to solidify our plans. He returned to the east.  Baltimore, where he works, until this Friday.  He just got laid off.  He is coming out here for Thanksgiving.  We have talked every day since he has left from me (September 1). I think the best thing was this.  I got to know him away from physical distractions.  When I got his professional picture, I thought he was okay looking and short, but I fell in love with him, or developed a deep love for him and respect for him beautiful qualities.  I have never met a man who is so kind.  Kindness is big with me.  He is not just kind to me.  He is kind with everyone.  He is such an example. lol  When I met him in person, I couldn’t believe how gorgeous he is.  I kept thinking, Wow.  Wow, this is me.  Wow, this is him.  Wow, he says he loves me.  Wow.  WOW! We have helped each other through some very difficult times and there are more to come, especially now with his layoff.  I guess I knew I wanted to marry him when I saw his kindness carry over in person.  And I know his friends.  The relationships he has with his friends are amazing.  They are such totally loving friendships, tighter than any family I’ve seen. Beautiful and inspirational. If any woman, or any man has doubts, then don’t go with it.  Don’t marry, don’t commit.  But have some hard times together.  Find out how he is under pressure.  Let him see you under pressure.  Will he be steadfast? Will you be steadfast? And, though I know it’s very out these days, don’t rush the physical.  The physical can really fog the emotional and the logical.  That’s just my opinion. Always make sure you can be friends with the person.  Do you like him? Would your friends like him?  Does he respect you?  Do you respect him? It’s a process that is often rushed in the US.  Time is very telling. I hope this has helped some, Meghan. I know relationships can be confusing. You have all the time in the world, girlfriend. I’m honored that you asked me. Take care and feel free to write me anytime, here on personally. May God Bless you and your new relationship. Nichole–in^^^Montana

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Hi, Meghan, Maybe you won’t like to hear my advice, but I would say even though you have known him for a while, you just started dating him recently, so what’s the rush. If you;re looking for a long-term relationship, take a loooong time to really get to know him.  With the rate of divorce these days, it’s better to really become good friends, and that takes time, a lot of listening, and learning about each other. In the meanwhile, have fun, do fun things together, you’re only young once. Good luck in love and LC, Cheers, Sandy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I lurk a lot here and I feel like you guys are my friends and I need some advice. My parents are divorced, and never really lived together.  Everyone else in my family has somewhat "dysfunctional" relationships.  I love them to death, but I look at it and think "I don’t want that for myself." I’m 23.  Recently I started dating someone I’ve known for 7 years, and who has liked me for 7 years (he said even before the weight loss he always thought I looked good).  And I just like him a lot.  And it’s not like the usual way I like someone.  I just feel good to be around him.  I just feel good to talk to him.  It’s strange.  And we’re a lot alike. Anyway … the point is … how did you know that he/she was "the one"? Thanks for any input on this guys. ps I made the Cheesy Shrimp Bisque last night and it was PHENOMENAL! Meghan 160/146/140 CAD since 8/6/01 — "I can tell a factory worker to show up at 7:00 a.m. sharp and produce. But I can’t tell a researcher or engineer to show up at 7:00 a.m. and have a creative idea." — Akio Morita, co-founder of Sony (1921-1999)

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I lurk a lot here and I feel like you guys are my friends and I need some advice. My parents are divorced, and never really lived together.  Everyone else in my family has somewhat "dysfunctional" relationships.  I love them to death, but I look at it and think "I don’t want that for myself." I’m 23.  Recently I started dating someone I’ve known for 7 years, and who has liked me for 7 years (he said even before the weight loss he always thought I looked good).  And I just like him a lot.  And it’s not like the usual way I like someone.  I just feel good to be around him.  I just feel good to talk to him.  It’s strange.  And we’re a lot alike. Anyway … the point is … how did you know that he/she was "the one"? Thanks for any input on this guys. ps I made the Cheesy Shrimp Bisque last night and it was PHENOMENAL! Meghan 160/146/140 CAD since 8/6/01 — "I can tell a factory worker to show up at 7:00 a.m. sharp and produce. But I can’t tell a researcher or engineer to show up at 7:00 a.m. and have a creative idea." — Akio Morita, co-founder of Sony (1921-1999)

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I met my hubby through, Single Vermonters, a dating service. I felt so comfortable with him. He made my spirit feel at rest. We had sort of the same background. I’m more optimistic he is more pessemstic (sp). I new we were ment for eachother early on. He needed some time because his father left the family when he was 2 and he didn’t know if that was genetic. He loved me too much to hurt me. AWWW. I married my best friend. We may not have a wild sex life but than again that isn’t a measure of true love. I wanted someone who would be with me all the days of my life. In sickness and in health, for richer of poorer. I love him more today than ever. BethM – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I lurk a lot here and I feel like you guys are my friends and I need some advice. My parents are divorced, and never really lived together.  Everyone else in my family has somewhat "dysfunctional" relationships.  I love them to death, but I look at it and think "I don’t want that for myself." I’m 23.  Recently I started dating someone I’ve known for 7 years, and who has liked me for 7 years (he said even before the weight loss he always thought I looked good).  And I just like him a lot.  And it’s not like the usual way I like someone.  I just feel good to be around him.  I just feel good to talk to him.  It’s strange.  And we’re a lot alike. Anyway … the point is … how did you know that he/she was "the one"? Thanks for any input on this guys. ps I made the Cheesy Shrimp Bisque last night and it was PHENOMENAL! Meghan 160/146/140 CAD since 8/6/01 — "I can tell a factory worker to show up at 7:00 a.m. sharp and produce. But I can’t tell a researcher or engineer to show up at 7:00 a.m. and have a creative idea." — Akio Morita, co-founder of Sony (1921-1999)

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I have had laser retinal surgery on both eyes twice.  I also had a vitrectomy on my right eye.  My vision has improved some but is nothing like it once was. I cannot read small print (like the newspaper and phone books).  It is very frustrating and is a handicap.  Good luck Joe Reardon    

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I had many laser treatments about 20 years ago.  I was told then that the older one is, the longer the recovery period.  I was 30 at the time and within a few months the spots and blurry vision disappeared.   But then I had another problem, and had more laser treatments until all of my vessels have now been seared.  I do not have "good" vision, but I can drive.  No night vision at all.   I had cataract surgery 2 years ago and am very sensitive to the light and cannot read small print.  Hopefully, your friend will get all the help available to him.  I feekl fortunate to still have my sight. You need to find a doctor that specializes in diabetic retinopathy.  I found an excellent one when I moved by callng around and asking. Good luck to you and your friend. Judy T1 – 47 yrs

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"Angus Repper" writes: Has anyone  out there recovered from the laser retinal surgery?

Yes.  I have had over 6000 laser spots per eye and a left vitrectomy.  I’m 20/20 now, knock on wood.  Mine was a direct result of Proliferative Diabetic Retinopathy.  While under control, it is still prone to acting up..read: bleeding at the drop of a hat.   Does anyone know a great eye doctor who specializes in caring for diabetic patients?

If your in Missouri, then yes I do.  a couple of them, actually.  Be glad to help all I can. Will his eyesight ever get better?

Hard to predict.  Some recover nicely, some do not.  There are many of us on this NG who can offer varying experiences.   Mike <a href="http://members.aol.com/OneQuikV6/gnpage2.html"Mike’s Page</a

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Angus – I have been a diabetic for 17 years. I am 30 now and up until the last few years I haven’t had any problems.  In 1996 I found out that I was pregnant at my first check-up the doctor said I had early signs of damage in my eyes.  I had another visit and things were the same no worse but we had to keep a close watch.  I missed my next visit because I was in the hospital having my daugther.  My husband and I had our hands full and I hadn’t thought much about my eyes the damage that was there had no effect on my vision yet!  It wasn’t until one day in Aug. 1997 that I started seeing something that I thought was a bug in my eye.  Turned out to be bleeding vessels.  Had laser surgery, helped a little.  I was scheduled for a vitrectomy ( they go in and completely drain the fluids out of your eye, do laser, then fill with an artificial fluid).  A few days before the surgery my other eye went all I could see at this point were shadows.  I can’t even describe how scary that was especially having a child who was  not even 1 yet.  So, I had the surgery in both eyes a few months apart.  Each surgery was around 4 to 4 1/2 hours.  I have had some laser and a cataract lens removal/implant and I am happy to say that although ny vision is not perfect I can drive and see very well out of one eye and doctors are still working on the other.  My doctors are I feel the best.  However, they are in New Jersey.  There is hope and I hope everything works out for you and your friend.             good luck!

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Hello My name is Angus and I am very new to this newsgroup. I felt compelled to write this letter for the person who I am caring for who is diabetic. He is 75 years old, takes insulin 2X a day and seems to have a very good handle on his blood glucose levels. I have been caring for him for a total of 6 years. The problems he is having are related mostly to his eye sight. In the six years since I have known him , his complaints have increased steadily. He used to have high blodd pressure, but this is now under control thanks to some medicine he is taking. About three years ago he had laser retinal surgery to relieve some of the pressure in the capillaries of his eyes. He is been back about three to four times for subsequent visits. Although the doctor claimed his eyesight should not get  worse, this has proven to be untrue. My friend still has difficulty focusing on anything  his eyes are extremely sensitive  to changes in light. Last year, I moved to from NY to Wisconsin and because of his lingering eye problems I moved him out with me.  Wisconsin is reknown for it ’s excellent Medical care and we saw an optometrist immediately. The Dr. said he had cateracts that needed to be removed. Due to the complications from diabetes, the Dr. decided to do one eye at a time. He also said his eye should start healing immediaely after the surgery and be almost fully healed after 30 days. 13 months later, vision problems are still apparent and worsening. My friend has become quite displeased with his ongoing condition and appears to be resigned to the fact he will be blind very soon. He is hopeless and depressed. He won’t have he cateract surgery on his other eye because of how rocky the recovery (or lack of) from his first cateract surgery. His condition has also depressed me and I want to do what I can to help him enjoy life a little more. I will end with some questions which answers will help me decide on a path forward. Please feel free to e-mail me at  Has anyone  out there recovered from the laser retinal surgery? Does anyone know a great eye doctor who specializes in caring for diabetic patients? Will his eyesight ever get better? Any new treatments for this condtion which will reverse some of the negative effects from the retinal surgery? Thanks for all your help, Angus

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I know, well, I hope, you didn’t mean this to be offensive, but I find it so. You are obviously talking about adults with diabetes, not children (parents of children with diabetes see the doctor, along with the child).  I find it offensive that you think anyone should be in a position where they ‘allow’ other adults to eat or not. Perhaps a tad overeacting?

Actually, I had a similar reaction to the original post — I though it was patronizing. I understand what you are saying, but I didn’t read it the way you did. And I find what Mark said to be right on the money! My wife is my conscience. She keeps up with the diet situation as much as I do and I constantly look to her for advice on whether I can fit this or that into my food plan. Should I eat this? How will this affect me? And the like. Frankly, I could do it without her, but it would be much harder. In the strictest sense she is not "allowing" me to eat or not to eat, just advising me. The decision is mine.

I’m glad that this works for you.  One thing that my boyfriend and I agreed on right after I was diagnosed was that he wouldn’t play "food cop" (our terminology), and I wouldn’t expect him to.  This is partly because we’ve had a lot of opportunity to observe a woman who has to play this role con- stantly (because her diabetic husband has Parkinson’s disease), and it’s not fun for her, for her husband, or for anyone around them.  So perhaps we’ve veered too far in the other direction.  Although my boyfriend knows a lot about my eating restrictions, he hasn’t gotten into the nuts and bolts of it (which is just fine with me), so he’s not really in a position to advise me about my eating. Just returned from a family holiday gathering in MA. And, believe me, if I didn’t have my "conscience" with me, the family would have me eat all kinds of things that I shouldn’t – and I MAY have succumbed – we all want people to agree that what we do is OK, even if we are eating, or drinking, something we shouldn’t. Even a brother-in-law, just diagnosed as T-2, takes a very cavalier attitude toward "cheating" – his doctor told him he has a mild case and did not encourage all the things my doctor did for me –  and the rest of the family, not understanding diabetes, goes along with it. "Oh, come on, just one piece of pie won’t hurt – why Aunt Bessie had diabetes and she could do it."

This kind of behavior really burns me.  Aunt Bessie and I are not the same person!  Sigh. I, for one, really appreciate someone keeping my best interest at heart and providing the kind of foods I CAN eat rather than trying to tempt me and providing all the things I can’t.

Yes, of course.  The problem is that many people don’t have a very good grasp of what diabetics can and can’t eat (especially since this is dif- ferent for every diabetic).  If you’ve decided, based on all that you know about your body and your disease, that you can have a small piece of pie on a special occasion, do you want people looking disapproving and telling you not to eat it? /Janet — "Imagine yourself suddenly set down surrounded by all your gear, alone on a tropical beach close to a native village, while the launch or dinghy which has brought you sails away out of sight."  – Bronislaw Malinowski

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I know, well, I hope, you didn’t mean this to be offensive, but I find it so. You are obviously talking about adults with diabetes, not children (parents of children with diabetes see the doctor, along with the child).  I find it offensive that you think anyone should be in a position where they ‘allow’ other adults to eat or not. Perhaps a tad overeacting?

Perhaps a little, but I do get fed up with people with attitudes like his. I understand what you are saying, but I didn’t read it the way you did. And I find what Mark said to be right on the money!

To put it down in black on white (or whatever colours your monitor displays): this is, IMHO, what someone should do who is expecting someone for dinner who they know has diabetes: 1/ Ask.   2/ If the diabetic makes a request, follow it up.   3/ Let your guest know what is going to be served, and when.  If the guest may not have eaten any item before, and it is not self-evident, explain the contents. 4/ If the meal is going to be late, or the contents change, tell your guest as soon as possible, and (in case of lateness) ensure that there is something to ‘keep them going’ at the previously planned time – again, ask if the ’something’ is the right something. 5/ Let your guests serve themselves, or give instructions about portion sizes. 6/ Work hard on the skills of being a good host: your aim should be to create an atmosphere where your guest can feel perfectly happy about asking for something which is not on the table, declining to eat something, or asking to see the packet it came from, or doing anything else. These are just common courtesies, which virtually 100% of the population would appreciate. Best wishes, — Pat Reynolds    "It might look a bit messy now, but just you come back in 500 years time"    (T. Prattchet)

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I know, well, I hope, you didn’t mean this to be offensive, but I find it so. You are obviously talking about adults with diabetes, not children (parents of children with diabetes see the doctor, along with the child).  I find it offensive that you think anyone should be in a position where they ‘allow’ other adults to eat or not.

Perhaps a tad overeacting?  I understand what you are saying, but I didn’t read it the way you did. And I find what Mark said to be right on the money! My wife is my conscience. She keeps up with the diet situation as much as I do and I constantly look to her for advice on whether I can fit this or that into my food plan. Should I eat this? How will this affect me? And the like. Frankly, I could do it without her, but it would be much harder. In the strictest sense she is not "allowing" me to eat or not to eat, just advising me. The decision is mine.  Just returned from a family holiday gathering in MA. And, believe me, if I didn’t have my "conscience" with me, the family would have me eat all kinds of things that I shouldn’t – and I MAY have succumbed – we all want people to agree that what we do is OK, even if we are eating, or drinking, something we shouldn’t. Even a brother-in-law, just diagnosed as T-2, takes a very cavalier attitude toward "cheating" – his doctor told him he has a mild case and did not encourage all the things my doctor did for me –  and the rest of the family, not understanding diabetes, goes along with it. "Oh, come on, just one piece of pie won’t hurt – why Aunt Bessie had diabetes and she could do it." I, for one, really appreciate someone keeping my best interest at heart and providing the kind of foods I CAN eat rather than trying to tempt me and providing all the things I can’t.  Allowing me to eat? I prefer to think they are being considerant of my situation? But I make the decision. BTW – I’d recommend the SHN site also. The more we know, the better we can manage our diabetes. Bill Smith in SC

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Thanksgiving is a hard time to cook for family members on a medical diet.   The temptation is to spoil them, or allow them to indulge themselves, but then they get into real trouble.  I thought I’d start this thread to see what everyone is doing.  There’s a great web resource I know of called "Healthy Holiday Recipes" on the Sapient Health Network (http://www.shn.com/).  People with diabetes are sending in their best healthy cooking ideas, and then SHN is going to publish them on the page.   In general, if you don’t know about SHN, it’s highly recommended.  They have an excellent library of information on diabetes, an active bulletin board, automated and personalized "bookshelves" of the latest research, constantly updated.  One of the most frustrating things about having a family member with a chronic condition is not knowing where to look for good information, and how to find it on your own.  Your spouse/parent/child sees a doctor, but who do you see?  SHN provides for that.       Anyway, folks, what’s cooking? Mark

I know, well, I hope, you didn’t mean this to be offensive, but I find it so. You are obviously talking about adults with diabetes, not children (parents of children with diabetes see the doctor, along with the child).  I find it offensive that you think anyone should be in a position where they ‘allow’ other adults to eat or not. Best wishes, — Pat Reynolds (type 1 for 26 years)    "It might look a bit messy now, but just you come back in 500 years time"    (T. Prattchet)

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Thanksgiving is a hard time to cook for family members on a medical diet.   The temptation is to spoil them, or allow them to indulge themselves, but then they get into real trouble.  I thought I’d start this thread to see what everyone is doing.  There’s a great web resource I know of called "Healthy Holiday Recipes" on the Sapient Health Network (http://www.shn.com/).  People with diabetes are sending in their best healthy cooking ideas, and then SHN is going to publish them on the page.   In general, if you don’t know about SHN, it’s highly recommended.  They have an excellent library of information on diabetes, an active bulletin board, automated and personalized "bookshelves" of the latest research, constantly updated.  One of the most frustrating things about having a family member with a chronic condition is not knowing where to look for good information, and how to find it on your own.  Your spouse/parent/child sees a doctor, but who do you see?  SHN provides for that.         Anyway, folks, what’s cooking? Mark

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Hi to all ! I am a 30 yrs old male living in Scandinavia and I have suffered almost two years from mysterious symptoms and nobody seems to be able to make a reasonable diagnosis. The symptoms are getting worse little by little, so I reckon, something should be done quite soon. I feel dizzy sometimes daily and I suffer from disturbances in my consiousness. I can handle my problems by eating little portions of food in every 2 hours, but if I eat a normal or big meal I will get a dizzyness attack in next 2 hours. The level of dizzyness is directly proportional to the amount of food I have eaten. The level of dizzyness varies quite a lot. In the worst case I have to lie in bed even 1-2 hours before I am fully recovered. While I am lying on the bed I can in principle e.g. read a book or newspaper, but usually I feel so powerless and dead that I choose not to do anything. Sometimes I feel just tired as normal people do, but then I usually also feel myself being aggressive. If I am e.g. driving my car, I suddenly start to feel that all other drivers drive like complete idiots and my driving behavior changes much more aggressive. In one case the dizzyness was so bad after a big meal that I had to lie down in office floor for 0.5 hour, because I felt that if I don’t do this, I’ll just drop to the floor. Luckily the day was between Christmas and New Year, so nobody else was able to see this incident. While I feel dizzy, I have also other symptoms simultaneously. I can’t understand exactly what other people say, and my speech is not fluent any more, it is like some letters would be missing. It is also very embarrassing, when one sees that the counterpart in the discussion understands that something is now wrong. As a possible diagnosis to all this I of course thought first the diabetes or some other disturbance in body’s metabolism. I went to the company doctor, who put me to sugar stress test (75 g glucose is given to the patient and blood sugar level tested) but the results were in normal boundaries:   0 h  4.5 mmol/l   1 h  5.8 mmol/l   2 h  6.0 mmol/l   3 h  2.6 mmol/h   4 h  4.1 mmol/h   5 h  3.8 mmol/l From these values only the 3 h 2.6 mmol/l is a bit low. But I remember myself that at that time I was feeling very dizzy, my speech was not running well, I couldn’t understand well, what other people said to me etc. One other patient thought that I was drunken, well the time was Tuesday 01.00 p.m. so that really was not a very likely diagnosis ! Anyway, the doc. just said that I am as healty as a 30 yrs old male can be and that there is nothing wrong with me. It should also be noted that neither of my parents are supposed to have diabetes, anyway as far as I know, but they are not old yet so who knows. My question is, that is it possible that I have some other body diabolism disease (inherited or not) than diabetes ? Once somebody said that I’d have a hypoglycemia, that is a tendency to have a low sugar level, but others say that the hypoglycemia is not a disease, but that it is a state of body, which is caused by some disease or mistreatment. My health in general is OK, but there were a time when I had lots of stress in my job and particularly those times my condition was worse than usual. I have exorcise once or twice a week and I have a bit overweight, I weight 83 kg, my lenght is 172 cm, weight index 27.9. If I use alcohol more than 2 – 3 times 5 cl e.g. whiskey (40%), I shall have a terrible hangover that can last 24h. It depends a bit, do I drink wine, beer or other kind of alcohol. Another thing is the coffee and caffeine. If I drink 2 x 2.5 dl cups of coffee, it affects me the rest of the day, I feel dizzy and have a strong feeling of euphoria, I fly very high. And the next night’s sleep is of course gone, I shall sleep max. 1-2 hours. Actually, I can’t understand, why some people have to take narcotics, I can get a high just by drinking two cups of coffee !! If somebody knows what is my disease, or knows, where I should contact in order to get this problem fixed, please contact me or send a reply. As I said, I have already tried the company health care and the people in local public health centre (hospital) are not intrested. If you are going to send a reply to the usenet news system, pleas send the same message also to my email address: since I do not have the chance to read news every day, and I don’t want to loose any answers to this message. I would be also grateful, if you can tell me more names of newsgroups handling diabetes and body metabolism diseases. Best Regards, Michail

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This sounds like chronic Reactive Hypoglycemia to me. My step-mother has it too and the symptoms match. I feel dizzy sometimes daily and I suffer from disturbances in my consiousness. I can handle my problems by eating little portions of food in every 2 hours, but if I eat a normal or big meal I will get a dizzyness attack in next 2 hours. The level of dizzyness is directly proportional to the amount of food I have eaten.

Do you eat normal meals, with all food groups included? This could be a problem if you are a hypoglycemic, since your body is giving too much insulin to correct for ANY carbohydrates (sugars, fruits, and breads, in that order) that you eat. Reactive Hypoglycemia is best corrected by avoiding sugars totally (at least as much as possible), most fruits and starches. Eating small meals every 2 to 3 hours is necessary, but they MUST be mostly fats and proteins. I don’t know if you are doing this now, but ONLY eating often is just half of the problem, it’s also WHAT you eat. Unfortunately there is no other treatment possible for Reactive Hypoglycemia. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The level of dizzyness varies quite a lot. In the worst case I have to lie in bed even 1-2 hours before I am fully recovered. While I am lying on the bed I can in principle e.g. read a book or newspaper, but usually I feel so powerless and dead that I choose not to do anything. Sometimes I feel just tired as normal people do, but then I usually also feel myself being aggressive. If I am e.g. driving my car, I suddenly start to feel that all other drivers drive like complete idiots and my driving behavior changes much more aggressive. In one case the dizzyness was so bad after a big meal that I had to lie down in office floor for 0.5 hour, because I felt that if I don’t do this, I’ll just drop to the floor. Luckily the day was between Christmas and New Year, so nobody else was able to see this incident. While I feel dizzy, I have also other symptoms simultaneously. I can’t understand exactly what other people say, and my speech is not fluent any more, it is like some letters would be missing. It is also very embarrassing, when one sees that the counterpart in the discussion understands that something is now wrong.

Yes, these problems are all possible with hypoglycemia because your brain is not getting enough glucose so some normal functions aren’t supported as well as normal. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As a possible diagnosis to all this I of course thought first the diabetes or some other disturbance in body’s metabolism. I went to the company doctor, who put me to sugar stress test (75 g glucose is given to the patient and blood sugar level tested) but the results were in normal boundaries:   0 h  4.5 mmol/l   1 h  5.8 mmol/l   2 h  6.0 mmol/l   3 h  2.6 mmol/h   4 h  4.1 mmol/h   5 h  3.8 mmol/l From these values only the 3 h 2.6 mmol/l is a bit low. But I remember myself that at that time I was feeling very dizzy, my speech was not running well, I couldn’t understand well, what other people said to me etc. One other patient thought that I was drunken, well the time was Tuesday 01.00 p.m. so that really was not a very likely diagnosis !

A 2.6 is NOT a little low. Below 4.0 can be dangerous, and any doctor who didn’t respond to that by at least thinking about reactive hypoglycemia is NOT serving you well. On this basis you had at least 2, and more likely 3 low readings out of 6. The 4.1 could be that high ONLY as a result of testing variables, so I think of it as possibly being a 4.0. Unfortunately this condition is misunderstood by many doctors if they are even aware of it. It was the most popular misdiagnosis used as an excuse for too many other problems in years past, so many doctor’s think of it as being an impossible disease to get. My step-mother and step-brother both have it, and they prove the doctors wrong, as do other people I know in Internet. Anyway, the doc. just said that I am as healty as a 30 yrs old male can be and that there is nothing wrong with me.

Wrong! It should also be noted that neither of my parents are supposed to have diabetes, anyway as far as I know, but they are not old yet so who knows.

Diabetes is NOT necessarily inherited, nor is reactive hypoglycemia. My question is, that is it possible that I have some other body diabolism disease (inherited or not) than diabetes ? Once somebody said that I’d have a hypoglycemia, that is a tendency to have a low sugar level, but others say that the hypoglycemia is not a disease, but that it is a state of body, which is caused by some disease or mistreatment.

Not true. It’s a matter of the insulin control mechanism in the body malfunctioning, and it DOES happen to some people naturally. We’re talking about the body’s need to release roughly 35/100 of a mililiter of insulin per day, so fine control is absolutely necessary for proper functioning, and doesn’t need to be far off to give you this problem. If you don’t get it under control you may eventually develop diabetes as a result. I have exorcise once or twice a week and I have a bit overweight, I weight 83 kg, my lenght is 172 cm, weight index 27.9.

Your overweight may be CAUSED by reactive hypoglycemia. My step-mother was overweight when I first started helping her learn how to eat nutritious meals but lost weight after that. If I use alcohol more than 2 – 3 times 5 cl e.g. whiskey (40%), I shall have a terrible hangover that can last 24h. It depends a bit, do I drink wine, beer or other kind of alcohol.

Alcoholic drinks can be very dangerous for you. If you drink them please keep from drinking very much at a time. If somebody knows what is my disease, or knows, where I should contact in order to get this problem fixed, please contact me or send a reply. As I said, I have already tried the company health care and the people in local public health centre (hospital) are not intrested. I would be also grateful, if you can tell me more names of newsgroups handling diabetes and body metabolism diseases.

There are 2 webpages about Reactive Hypoglycemia, or the lower level Fasting Hypoglycemia. Go to: http://huizen.dds.nl/~hypo/ That’s in Holland (the Netherlands). Also: http://www.fred.net/slowup/hypo.html There are some links there to various other webpages. Good luck, hope this helps! Ted Quick Type 1 diabetic for 41 years. Hypoglycemic step-mother with 50+ years experience.

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it’s like which came first  the chicken or the egg?      before i was diagnosed i started having angina pains. they were so severe that i ended up in ICU alot. along with this i lost 80 lbs. in less than 2 months, but i still didn’t put all the clues together.      i didn’t realize how ill i really was. one of my children took me to see a specialist for diabetes. he put me in the hospital with bg of 499.      now, the better control i had with the bg the less incidents i had with the angina. by the time 1 year passed i didn’t need the nitro pills. it’s been over six years without any problems of this sort.      so "i" think that the diabetes caused the angina because when the bg was running wild my body was feeding on itself. (the reason for the rapid weight loss) not just certain parts, but all, including my heart.      right or wrong, this is how i see it. the LORD bless and keep you all always!

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I’m sorry to hear about your problems and about your diabetes onset. As they say here, welcome to the club to which none of us want to belong. The best advice I can give you is that it doesn’t matter -how- you became a diabetic, but that it does matter that you are one.  It takes time to realize that you have to move on to life and forget the "why"s and "hows" and concentrate on being well. It’s a normal part of the grief process many people go through when first diagnosed to question, "why me? why did this happen?"  It’s very normal and I think we all do it.  Don’t listen when well meaning people tell you "there are people who are worse!" and the like. Feel free to grieve, because after grief comes healing.

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This all seemed to start with a breathing problem.  In February I started waking up in the middle of the night, unable to breath.  I would assume the hands on knees position to get some air, then go to the kitchen and make a cup of coffee, then go sit on the front steps and smoke a couple cigarettes, drink my coffee.  the Position would allow me to breathe again, then go back to bed.

Since you don’t ask, I won’t comment on the wisdom of smoking a cigarette after waking up from an episode of SOB. had never had any kind of sugar problem before.  I was discharged on the 18th and on the following meds:  Digoxin(lanoxin) lasix, fosinopril, potassium, iron, and two inhalers albuterol and atrovent.

My nursing manual says albuterol is to be used with caution in patients with diabetes mellitus. Ask your doctor; he’s probably aware of what he’s doing. Sounds like he’s walking a tightrope with your collection of problems.  NOTE WELL: I am not a nurse or a doctor nor do I play one on the internet. Consult your doctor before changing anything; its your life we are talking about.  But don’t allow ignorance to cheat you out of the best care available.  Any doctor worth his salt welcomes patient questions, and can explain why he made his medical decisions.   The meds have side effects and I believe that they are causing this elevated blood sugar.  I know this is denial and I am taking the pills that were prescribed and sugar is coming down.  Has anyone experienced anything similar?  I feel that my diabetes is caused by the medications that I must take for my heart rather than pancreas problems or the meds are somehow causing pancreas problems.   Is this simply denial?  Or is it common with conjestive heart failure?

I was diagnosed as diabetic when the doctor dosed me with 80 mg of prednisone for a few weeks. THe prednisone is gone, but I’m still a diabetic. Type II diabetes is not generally understood to be a pancreas problem, but a problem using the insulin produced (insulin resistance). Exercise, diet and drugs will usually control it. And control is VERY important in the long term. If you don’t know why, ask. With all these problems, ASK YOUR DOCTOR!  Make an appointment, tell the nurse/staff member/gate keeper you have a LONG list of questions.  Write those questions down, leaving room for answers. Take the list with you. Make it clear you will not go away until your questions are answered. Then see if he will send you to a Certified Diabetes Educator. Good luck, and learn quickly how to deal with diabetes and the rest of the problems.  The life you save may be your own.

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   Been there, done that. Your symptoms of the heart attack sound very    similar to me. Denial is one of the major signs of heart attacks. My doctor keeps looking at my heart, shaking his head and saying, "I don’t understand it… It’s perfectly healthy and it should  not be"  (I’ve had high blood pressure more than half my life… Finally got it under control 3 years ago) Have a friend who is retired now, Still kicking around though, a few years ago he was having a heart attack… He did not look good and everybody who saw him inquired as to his health (He was at work, doing union stuff, at the time) Finally the supervisor stopped asking and ORDERED him to the hospital (I’m a police dispatcher, said Supervisor has the authority to order troopers (What he is, or was) to the hospital if he feels it necessary) They called in a trooper off the road  "Threw" the heart attack in the car (Threw = assisted him in gently by the way) and off they went to a local hospital where he got out of the patrol car still complaining that he was ok, Walked in to the ER and promptly collasped  CODE BLUE ER HALL, Full arrest. He’d reached the end of his denial… Good place to do it to. Later we were talking about hospitals good, bad, and otherwise and I said the hospital he went to seemed rather good (He’s not the first person to enter dead and walk out alive that I’ve know)  He advised they had just been sued for operating on the wrong patient (A clerical error after all).  I said, "Well that may be John but you walked in there DEAD and now look at you" (Yes his name really is John)  He thought a bit and agreed with me. "Nothing adds excitement like something that is none of your business" Net-Tamer V 1.08X – Registered

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Dear M: Have you heard of the diabetic "X syndrome"?  If not, you should read up on it because there are some of us diabetics that have it and it includes high blood pressure, high cholesterol as well as diabetes.  When I was younger, I had some high blood pressure and they put me on hydrochlorothiazide, which is a blood pressure med that works by easing water retention.  Now that I am diabetic, which means I can get dehydrated much more easily, the doctor uses Vasotec which doesn’t work as a water pill.  Perhaps you need to ask your doctor if Lasix is the right drug for you – you have a heart condition – so did my mom – and she had to take Lasix too.  If you are taking the pills and the sugars are coming down, part of you isn’t in denial.  I have no idea of pancreas and heart conditions are closely related – that is also a question for your doctor.   General advice on doctors: Find a Board Certified doctor in diabetes or endocrinology as well as a cardiologist.   Always make a list of questions before your appointments and let the doc know you intend to ask them so they budget time for it. If you have uncomplicated questions you don’t want to bother the doc with, call their nurse – they are often a wealth of info and easier to get ahold of. Best of luck.  This isn’t the worst disease in the world, but it does take being assertive and getting the info you need until you feel comfortable with your knowledge base. Rachel – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This all seemed to start with a breathing problem.  In February I started waking up in the middle of the night, unable to breath.  I would assume the hands on knees position to get some air, then go to the kitchen and make a cup of coffee, then go sit on the front steps and smoke a couple cigarettes, drink my coffee.  the Position would allow me to breathe again, then go back to bed. After a couple weeks I decided that this was due to eating a spicy Italian Sub sandwich shortly before bed.  I stopped eating those sandwiches and the problem went away!  In March I seemed to run out of breath very easily and by April 13th I could only walk about 100 feet before running out of breath.  I finally went to the emergency room where they took blood samples, a chest x-ray, and an ekg.  They sent me home and told me to come back the next day for a cat scan and pulmonary function test.  I happened to see the x-ray– it looked like someone had spray painted one lung, with overspray dripping down.  I quit smoking on the spot.  On the 14th they did the cat scan and took me back to ER and I was admitted for conjestive heart failure, enphysema, severe anemia, and pneumonia all of which was a total suprise to me, 4 days later they told me I needed a heart transplant!  My blood sugar on admission was 88 and I had never had any kind of sugar problem before.  I was discharged on the 18th and on the following meds:  Digoxin(lanoxin) lasix, fosinopril, potassium, iron, and two inhalers albuterol and atrovent.   One month later I had more labs and blood sugar was 166, but they didn’t notice it or just forgot to tell me about it.  About a week later I noticed that my vision was very blurry, I was sweating from the back of the scalp for no apparent reason and had an uncontolable thirst.  I figured that I would drink stuff that was healthy instead of soda!  I ended up drinking 48 ounces of tomato juice, 32 ounces of orange juice, a quart of apple juice, a quart of grapefruit juice, pineapple juice, milk, water, a liter of sunny delight, and a liter of cola.  Naturally I wasn’t very hungry, but if I got a little hungry: I would open a can of peaches, eat them and drink the syrup.  Obviously I was bombing my body with sugar without realizing it. June 14th I went to the ER….blood sugar was 464 and the Dr. told me I was diabetic (imagine that!)   The meds have side effects and I believe that they are causing this elevated blood sugar.  I know this is denial and I am taking the pills that were prescribed and sugar is coming down.  Has anyone experienced anything similar?  I feel that my diabetes is caused by the medications that I must take for my heart rather than pancreas problems or the meds are somehow causing pancreas problems.   Is this simply denial?  Or is it common with conjestive heart failure?

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This all seemed to start with a breathing problem.  In February I started waking up in the middle of the night, unable to breath.  I would assume the hands on knees position to get some air, then go to the kitchen and make a cup of coffee, then go sit on the front steps and smoke a couple cigarettes, drink my coffee.  the Position would allow me to breathe again, then go back to bed.

Been there, done that. Your symptoms of the heart attack sound very similar to me. Denial is one of the major signs of heart attacks. In a group of 10 people who are taking a heart program with me, every one of us denied that we were having heart problems. Your weakness is was like mine and it was heart. I am recovering from the heart attack but at this point the doctor, says this is a about how I will be for the rest of my life. I am happy that I survived but I wish that a long time ago I would have listened to the people who kept telling me that good control was necessary to avoid or delay the side effects of diabetes. Good luck in your recovery program and do listen to the doctors with an open mind. I know what you are going through. I think a person would have to be there to understand the fear that comes when your life is in eminent danger. I know I have further limits now but I figure there is still lots of things I can do so rather than complain about what I cannot do I am thankful for what I can do….best wishes… — …Ron diagnosed 1953, type 1, regular x3, NPH x1

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This all seemed to start with a breathing problem.  In February I started waking up in the middle of the night, unable to breath.  I would assume the hands on knees position to get some air, then go to the kitchen and make a cup of coffee, then go sit on the front steps and smoke a couple cigarettes, drink my coffee.  the Position would allow me to breathe again, then go back to bed. After a couple weeks I decided that this was due to eating a spicy Italian Sub sandwich shortly before bed.  I stopped eating those sandwiches and the problem went away!  In March I seemed to run out of breath very easily and by April 13th I could only walk about 100 feet before running out of breath.  I finally went to the emergency room where they took blood samples, a chest x-ray, and an ekg.  They sent me home and told me to come back the next day for a cat scan and pulmonary function test.  I happened to see the x-ray– it looked like someone had spray painted one lung, with overspray dripping down.  I quit smoking on the spot.  On the 14th they did the cat scan and took me back to ER and I was admitted for conjestive heart failure, enphysema, severe anemia, and pneumonia all of which was a total suprise to me, 4 days later they told me I needed a heart transplant!  My blood sugar on admission was 88 and I had never had any kind of sugar problem before.  I was discharged on the 18th and on the following meds:  Digoxin(lanoxin) lasix, fosinopril, potassium, iron, and two inhalers albuterol and atrovent.   One month later I had more labs and blood sugar was 166, but they didn’t notice it or just forgot to tell me about it.  About a week later I noticed that my vision was very blurry, I was sweating from the back of the scalp for no apparent reason and had an uncontolable thirst.  I figured that I would drink stuff that was healthy instead of soda!  I ended up drinking 48 ounces of tomato juice, 32 ounces of orange juice, a quart of apple juice, a quart of grapefruit juice, pineapple juice, milk, water, a liter of sunny delight, and a liter of cola.  Naturally I wasn’t very hungry, but if I got a little hungry: I would open a can of peaches, eat them and drink the syrup.  Obviously I was bombing my body with sugar without realizing it. June 14th I went to the ER….blood sugar was 464 and the Dr. told me I was diabetic (imagine that!)   The meds have side effects and I believe that they are causing this elevated blood sugar.  I know this is denial and I am taking the pills that were prescribed and sugar is coming down.  Has anyone experienced anything similar?  I feel that my diabetes is caused by the medications that I must take for my heart rather than pancreas problems or the meds are somehow causing pancreas problems.   Is this simply denial?  Or is it common with conjestive heart failure?

a very similar thing happened to me.  i’m trying to take control of my nasal allergy problems and claratin is pretty weak but doesn’t have the side effects of many other anti-histamines so i took the big one, zyrtec.  wow. this dried me out like a prune.  i was drinking tons of water and eventually water wasn’t enough so i downed gatorade and soda. a few days later i wasn’t feeling very good, started throwing up, felt dizzy, weak, and nausea.  i went to the hospital and they told me i had a blood sugar of 1400 !  after 3 days my bg returned to normal and i went home with an insulin starters kit.  i was suprised but suggested to the doctors before i left that the medication, zyrtec, i was taking could of indirectly or directly caused the high blood sugar.  the doctor said no way, even though it makes sense that it might.  you get dehydrated due to a drug.  you then drink, then drink more, then drink soda to see if that will quench your thirst and soon you’re drinking about a case of soda a day.  would a normal person’s pancreas handle this much sugar without high bg levels?  i don’t know.   i’m not taking zyrtec anymore.  i went from 15+15 units of 70/30 a day down to 3+3 units in about 3 weeks.  many say this could be my honeymoon period or could it be my body back to normal or almost back to normal from the dehydration zyrtec caused.  i have drank a soda at times and had my sugar recently go above 200.  so maybe i was always a borderline diabetic but zyrtec caused dyhydration which made is very obvious. time will tell. darrin — Please reply by Post & E-Mail or just E-Mail.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This all seemed to start with a breathing problem.  In February I started waking up in the middle of the night, unable to breath.  I would assume the hands on knees position to get some air, then go to the kitchen and make a cup of coffee, then go sit on the front steps and smoke a couple cigarettes, drink my coffee.  the Position would allow me to breathe again, then go back to bed. After a couple weeks I decided that this was due to eating a spicy Italian Sub sandwich shortly before bed.  I stopped eating those sandwiches and the problem went away!  In March I seemed to run out of breath very easily and by April 13th I could only walk about 100 feet before running out of breath.  I finally went to the emergency room where they took blood samples, a chest x-ray, and an ekg.  They sent me home and told me to come back the next day for a cat scan and pulmonary function test.  I happened to see the x-ray– it looked like someone had spray painted one lung, with overspray dripping down.  I quit smoking on the spot.  On the 14th they did the cat scan and took me back to ER and I was admitted for conjestive heart failure, enphysema, severe anemia, and pneumonia all of which was a total suprise to me, 4 days later they told me I needed a heart transplant!  My blood sugar on admission was 88 and I had never had any kind of sugar problem before.  I was discharged on the 18th and on the following meds:  Digoxin(lanoxin) lasix, fosinopril, potassium, iron, and two inhalers albuterol and atrovent.   One month later I had more labs and blood sugar was 166, but they didn’t notice it or just forgot to tell me about it.  About a week later I noticed that my vision was very blurry, I was sweating from the back of the scalp for no apparent reason and had an uncontolable thirst.  I figured that I would drink stuff that was healthy instead of soda!  I ended up drinking 48 ounces of tomato juice, 32 ounces of orange juice, a quart of apple juice, a quart of grapefruit juice, pineapple juice, milk, water, a liter of sunny delight, and a liter of cola.  Naturally I wasn’t very hungry, but if I got a little hungry: I would open a can of peaches, eat them and drink the syrup.  Obviously I was bombing my body with sugar without realizing it. June 14th I went to the ER….blood sugar was 464 and the Dr. told me I was diabetic (imagine that!)   The meds have side effects and I believe that they are causing this elevated blood sugar.  I know this is denial and I am taking the pills that were prescribed and sugar is coming down.  Has anyone experienced anything similar?  I feel that my diabetes is caused by the medications that I must take for my heart rather than pancreas problems or the meds are somehow causing pancreas problems.   Is this simply denial?  Or is it common with conjestive heart failure?

Medication can elevate blood sugar levels in diabetics, but does not cause diabetes.  Your heart problems can also have an impact on blood glucose levels, but does not cause diabetes.  Another words, your heart problems and medications do have an impact on your diabetes but did not cause the illness! Diabetes is not a death sentence… When you get it under control you will feel great again.  It takes time and detection, but there is not anything you cannot achieve. I have been diabetic for 20-years and have a wonderful life.         Be Healthy,         M.H. Moman — @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Our brightest blazes of gladness are commonly kindled by unexpected sparks.                      -Samuel Johnson @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

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This all seemed to start with a breathing problem.  In February I started waking up in the middle of the night, unable to breath.  I would assume the hands on knees position to get some air, then go to the kitchen and make a cup of coffee, then go sit on the front steps and smoke a couple cigarettes, drink my coffee.  the Position would allow me to breathe again, then go back to bed. After a couple weeks I decided that this was due to eating a spicy Italian Sub sandwich shortly before bed.  I stopped eating those sandwiches and the problem went away!  In March I seemed to run out of breath very easily and by April 13th I could only walk about 100 feet before running out of breath.  I finally went to the emergency room where they took blood samples, a chest x-ray, and an ekg.  They sent me home and told me to come back the next day for a cat scan and pulmonary function test.  I happened to see the x-ray– it looked like someone had spray painted one lung, with overspray dripping down.  I quit smoking on the spot.  On the 14th they did the cat scan and took me back to ER and I was admitted for conjestive heart failure, enphysema, severe anemia, and pneumonia all of which was a total suprise to me, 4 days later they told me I needed a heart transplant!  My blood sugar on admission was 88 and I had never had any kind of sugar problem before.  I was discharged on the 18th and on the following meds:  Digoxin(lanoxin) lasix, fosinopril, potassium, iron, and two inhalers albuterol and atrovent.   One month later I had more labs and blood sugar was 166, but they didn’t notice it or just forgot to tell me about it.  About a week later I noticed that my vision was very blurry, I was sweating from the back of the scalp for no apparent reason and had an uncontolable thirst.  I figured that I would drink stuff that was healthy instead of soda!  I ended up drinking 48 ounces of tomato juice, 32 ounces of orange juice, a quart of apple juice, a quart of grapefruit juice, pineapple juice, milk, water, a liter of sunny delight, and a liter of cola.  Naturally I wasn’t very hungry, but if I got a little hungry: I would open a can of peaches, eat them and drink the syrup.  Obviously I was bombing my body with sugar without realizing it. June 14th I went to the ER….blood sugar was 464 and the Dr. told me I was diabetic (imagine that!)   The meds have side effects and I believe that they are causing this elevated blood sugar.  I know this is denial and I am taking the pills that were prescribed and sugar is coming down.  Has anyone experienced anything similar?  I feel that my diabetes is caused by the medications that I must take for my heart rather than pancreas problems or the meds are somehow causing pancreas problems.   Is this simply denial?  Or is it common with conjestive heart failure?

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In reference to the question of whether or not diabetics can be vegetarian, a quick check of sources showed that b12 can also be found in:  fermented soy products (soy sauce, tempeh, miso), eggs, and brewer’s yeast. Dave — Director, Radioisotope Lab, Univ. of Illinois, 139 Davenport Hall, 217-333-0476 Graduate Student, Department of Philosophy, Univ. of Illinois, 105 Gregory Hall

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In reference to the question of whether or not diabetics can be vegetarian, a quick check of sources showed that b12 can also be found in:  fermented soy products (soy sauce, tempeh, miso), eggs, and brewer’s yeast. Dave — Director, Radioisotope Lab, Univ. of Illinois, 139 Davenport Hall, 217-333-0476 Graduate Student, Department of Philosophy, Univ. of Illinois, 105 Gregory Hall

I have to agree.  I eat a little meat now because my family are dedicated meat eaters, but I was vegetarian, skim-lacto not ovo , for several years.  It was just fine.  I’m pumping now, but was MI then.  I gotta tell you, my blood sugars are more predictable when I eat a high-fibre (i.e., grains and beans) meal than when I eat a low-fibre higher fat meal (steak, potatoes, bread).  For me at least, a nearly-vegetarian meal plan works great. You know, this is not a bad compromise.  Eat an ounce of steak (instead of five or six) with the rest of the family and cook some high-fibre side dishes.  We eat red beans and rice with ham (look for recipes and just eliminate the fat; you won’t miss it much), lentils and wild rice with chicken, black beans and barley with beef.  Works great.  Tastes great.  Isn’t too invasive on your lifestyle.

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